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Igeethecat
Σάβ, 28/09/2019 - 22:01
Ох, красиво!
Вопрос (простите моё любопытство):
Не погрузилась в долину обреченных. — погрузилась, это вроде как в воду (ну или там чувства какие-то) погружаются? Или в долину тоже можно?
Lizzzard
Σάβ, 28/09/2019 - 22:24
А черт ее, это душу, знает.. XD
Сами немцы в интерпретации этого действа используют глагол "hinabsinkt" что соответственно "hinab"-вниз а "sinkt" - это глагол родственный английскому "sink" - т.е. тонуть, погружаться в пучину, идти на дно. в целом сгинуть.
Видимо в моей голове сложился какой то образ, тонущего, просящего у бога спасения. Т.е. человек не сознательно спускается вниз, а как бы тонет, т.е. тут какой то постепенный не управляемый процесс, когда еще есть время попросить милости божьей.
возможно имело бы место "паду в долину". Но падение уж больно стремительный процесс..
Хотя может стоит заменить на "не опустилась в долину". опускаться тоже должно подходить.. Спасибо, что обратила внимание. надо подумать. прям сейчас у меня слишком склеен мозг. там могут быть ляпы и похуже XD
silenced
Σάβ, 28/09/2019 - 22:55
Funny, this "guest" on the English page is actually me 6 years ago, trying to tactfully express the idea that the English translation is gibberish :D
Now that the feature TrampGuy wished would exist has become reality, it would be a good time to call [@Sciera] to the rescue.
Lizzzard
Σάβ, 28/09/2019 - 23:05
Ahaha, I also want to know what it is about XD
Of course I understand the essence, but I could lie in the details . There was a request for a long time, so I took a chance (and for some reason, instead of completing request, I published the translation separately. So that user will not know that his request has been completed)
Oh, my crooked hands XD
Lizzzard
Σάβ, 28/09/2019 - 23:28
Something like: inspected a dream through a magnifying glass?
I don’t know Middle High German T_T at all XD
so I used the links above. there it was interpreted as:
Ein Meister dichtete, Traum und Spiegelbild
and
Ein Weiser sagte, daß Traum und Spiegelglas,
I hope Sciera will shed light on it)))
silenced
Σάβ, 28/09/2019 - 23:33
Would be great to know what the song means. I like to listen to this one once in a while.
These lyrics are like a time machine sending you a thousand years into the past.
No man shall carve runes if he cannot use them well. Many a man is misled by dark forces...
silenced
Πέμ, 03/10/2019 - 18:38
Thank you so much, Sciera. I've been wondering about this song a while.
I would hate to play the tough customer, but a few bits are still a bit unclear :)
they would be counted to the wind -> the dream and mirror would be "counted to the wind" ???
concerning the permanence -> is that the beginning of a new sentence?
foliage and grass which has ever been my joy -> this clause seems like the subjects of an unfinished sentence
"... the song of the birds has a sad end there at the lime tree sweet and mild" -> so she's sitting near a sweet and mild lime tree, hearing the bird songs end in sadness ?
"world, like the headband befits you" -> the world befits the Lord like a (kind of) crown ???
Maybe adding a bit of punctuation could help ?
Sciera
Πέμ, 03/10/2019 - 18:47
As I said it's a difficult song.
"counted to the wind"
Yes, that's what it says there. Probably in the sense of being put into the same category as the wind.
"concerning the permanence"
Nope, same sentence. They are counted into the same category as the wind in regards to having the same degree of permanence.
"foliage and grass"
The remainder of the sentence is the "it seems to me fashioned like that" three lines after.
"there at the lime tree sweet and mild"
Ah, thanks for pointing that out. Mistranslated something, should be "also the lime tree".
" "world, like the headband befits you" -> the world befits the Lord like a (kind of) crown ???"
Which lord? In the original, there are two other verses before Christ is mentioned.
No, the world has a headdress. I guess it might be better to write "how" instead of "like", seems to be just an exclamation.
Punctuation... since there likely is no (reliable) punctuation in the original manuscript I didn't add any except for in enumerations. But I guess I can add at least a little bit.
silenced
Πέμ, 03/10/2019 - 19:06
I feel a bit like a peasant trying to scratch runes on a whale bone here, but just to see how far I got:
A scholar read regarding the dream and the glass mirror that they would be counted to the wind concerning the permanence. ->
A scholar gave a lecture on dreams and mirrors, saying that they would be considered as fleeting/fickle as the wind
Foliage and grass, which has ever been my joy as I'm now reaching my end, it seems to me fashioned like that. ->
Now that I am about to die, it seems to me that the foliage and grass that have always been my joy are similar to [the fickle dreams and mirrors]
Manifold flowers on top of it, the red heathland, the green forest, the song of the little birds has a sad end, also the lime tree sweet and mild. ->
"various flowers atop the grass, red heathland, green forest, songbirds ending in sadness, lime tree". are all the "headband" that follows
Thus, alas world, how the headband befits you! -> O world, that headband befits you so well
What did I miss?
Sciera
Πέμ, 03/10/2019 - 19:09
Maybe he gave lectures, maybe he recited from a book, who knows. But the rest sounds correct.
"on top of it" in the sense of "also". Edited that.
I have no idea whether all these things listed have anything to do with the headband. The only thing clearly said about them is that they have a sad end.
But you might be right that they are the headband of the world and that it therefore befits the world because it is perishable like everything of the world.
silenced
Πέμ, 03/10/2019 - 19:41
Yes, but the "also" implies they are "also" fickle, like the foliage and grass. I mean, the sentence has no verb, so I guess it refers to the previous one to qualify all these items.
Or did I miss something?
Edit.
Ok, got it. The "has a sad end" makes it look like only the bird song is concerned, but it's the whole list, apparently.
I guess that should be "have a sad end" then?
Lizzzard
Πέμ, 03/10/2019 - 19:32
It seems to me that it is sung that wildlife, (green forest, red heather, yellow leaves) is an adornment of the world. world without nature would be like a gray stone. and so, by changing seasons, the world is changing its headwear.
And this "alas" is connected with sadness about that the autumn headwear is beautiful, although nature had to die every year for it.
and we are the same leaves, grass and heather. color patches in this headdress
Lizzzard
Πέμ, 03/10/2019 - 19:44
I think yes. Life is like a dream. fickle and temporary. (But the soul is immortal, and having finished its short dream of life, man returns to God.)
thus man as grass - temporarily grew in the world, lived his beautiful dream, was a reflection of the life of leaves and birds. and then the dream is over. songs and life ended. and the man turns around, looks at autumn, says that life is a wonderful creation and asks God to take him to himself.
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