[CLOSED] Prevent comments on your translations for selected users (Stop list)

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Administrator
<a href="/ar/translator/lt" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1">LT </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 27.05.2008
Pending moderation

The new "Stop List" feature allows you to prevent comments on your translations for selected users.

You can find it on your profile in the top menu.

You can add 10 users to the stop list.

The restriction does not apply to moderators and administrators.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017

So, one has to be in power to be off the list?
Love LT's equal rights and opportunities

Banned User Ironic Iron ֍ The Black Sun
<a href="/ar/translator/st-sol" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1315904">St. Sol </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 20.11.2016

Ha, what did you expect from the resource, based in a place currently occupied by the heirs of WWII Nazi collaborators?

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<a href="/ar/translator/altermetax" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1360194">altermetax <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderator" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 04.11.2017
Igeethecat wrote:

So, one has to be in power to be off the list?
Love LT's equal rights and opportunities

Not allowing moderators/administrators to be blocked is the bare minimum. Imagine being able to block a moderator/administrator telling you to stop making machine translations or you'll get banned. That's going to hurt you more than them.
There has got to be some way to get an important message about a translation to reach a user, come on.

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<a href="/ar/translator/altermetax" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1360194">altermetax <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderator" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 04.11.2017
St. Sol wrote:

Ha, what did you expect from the resource, based in a place currently occupied by the heirs of WWII Nazi collaborators?

Are you serious now.

Banned User Ironic Iron ֍ The Black Sun
<a href="/ar/translator/st-sol" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1315904">St. Sol </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 20.11.2016

Please don't tell me you didn't know: google their national heroes S. Bandera and R. Shukhevych.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
altermetax wrote:
Igeethecat wrote:

So, one has to be in power to be off the list?
Love LT's equal rights and opportunities

Not allowing moderators/administrators to be blocked is the bare minimum. Imagine being able to block a moderator/administrator telling you to stop making machine translations or you'll get banned. That's going to hurt you more than them.
There has got to be some way to get an important message about a translation to reach a user, come on.

Look, some translations are much worse than GT, and translators will not accept any criticism
How this new policy would handle this? I guess we will just get more BS on LT

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<a href="/ar/translator/altermetax" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1360194">altermetax <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderator" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 04.11.2017
St. Sol wrote:

Please don't tell me you didn't know: google their national heroes S. Bandera and R. Shukhevych.

You know that's not what I meant.

Igeethecat wrote:

Look, some translations are much worse than GT, and translators will not accept any criticism
How this new policy would handle this? I guess we will just get more BS on LT

I am against this feature being there at all, but if it has to be, then at least leave the access to comments open to moderators/administrators for important information. Allowing users to block them would increase their ability to mute criticism.

Banned User Ironic Iron ֍ The Black Sun
<a href="/ar/translator/st-sol" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1315904">St. Sol </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 20.11.2016

Yes, we will (get more BS on LT) now.

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<a href="/ar/translator/don-juan" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1110108">Don Juan <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderator" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 05.04.2012

I agree with you, Mattia. Why would someone actually want to block a Mod/Admin? To keep us from telling them the rules? If they don't want to listen to us, they just have to follow the rules, else they're free to leave if they don't feel the website fits their wishes and personal preferences.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017

Makes me wonder what is a LT's mission statement?

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
Alma Barroca wrote:

I agree with you, Mattia. Why would someone actually want to block a Mod/Admin? To keep us from telling them the rules? If they don't want to listen to us, they just have to follow the rules, else they're free to leave if they don't feel the website fits their wishes and personal preferences.

Super power it is.
Why do you think one would block "a normal user"? Except one is posting crap?

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<a href="/ar/translator/don-juan" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1110108">Don Juan <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderator" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 05.04.2012

There have been users who left the website because of harassment and abuse on the hands of others via comments/PM, this tool definitely comes in handy if we want to keep a good atmosphere. It wouldn't be necessary if some people knew how to behave and were mature enough to know their acts will have consequences, but if it is needed, then it will be welcome.

Of course, this is the serious side of the issue, not mentioning the *Oh, this person said my translation is not good, so I want to mute/block them* and *I don't ask for your opinion, so why are you commenting on my threads?* users.

I myself have blocked a few users who sent me either threats and/or offenses via PM.

I don't see that as a superpower, though. What makes you think it is one? If not even on Facebook you can block a Moderator as they know you're still there, why would that be different in LT?

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017

Well, I just think it is not eBay kind of site. If one really bugs you, just ignore, worked for me
Idk, worse case scenario - report an abuse

Black list will just introduce more incorrect translations Imho

Super Member
<a href="/ar/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 01.09.2019
Igeethecat wrote:

Look, some translations are much worse than GT, and translators will not accept any criticism
How this new policy would handle this? I guess we will just get more BS on LT

I agree that some translations can hardly be called translations, and all readers would benefit from knowing that (if you don't know the source language, you have no way of knowing that you're being cheated as a reader). So introducing a mandatory tag for loose interpretations would be a good thing. Whether some people like it or not, there are certain criteria that one has to meet to be able to call their product a translation. Alas, such criteria may vary from country to country and from organization to organization, so we'd have to agree on an acceptable set of criteria first. And it's not always easy to start drawing lines when it comes to poetic licence.

Until we get such civilized instruments of informing the reader, we'll have to rely on criticism. However, criticism and harassment are not synonymous. And some people choose to express their opinions on translations in the most offensive way possible, without any regard for the feelings of a human being who's on the receiving end of those remarks. So why should there be no way for a user to shield themselves from such abusive behaviour? After all, you've got just 10 slots, so you can't block everyone. You know full well that in most cases admins can do nothing about such unwelcome remarks because that'd be favouritism: either you block all comments, or you block none. With a tool like this one, a user can shield themselves from verbal abuse without involving the admins. And remember, the perception of abuse is always subjective. You may feel like you're just stating your opinions, but if the way you do it makes a person suffer emotionally, that's a problem, and they need to have a tool like this one to be able to contribute.

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<a href="/ar/translator/don-juan" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1110108">Don Juan <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderator" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 05.04.2012

Not to mention the threads with attacks directed at site staff, specially Ellen and me. Imagine if their authors could just block us from commenting in them, it would be definitely antidemocratic - why not let the offended/accused part argue back and stand their ground showing their arguments? Why only let people who may be in accordance with you comment? That's my point.

For your information, we never do things we're not supposed to - even our own pairs judge our actions (and frankly, that's good) and advise us what to or not to do, so most of the times when an user wanted to block a Mod it was because they didn't agree with our actions and enforcing the rules. No superpower, again.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017

FYI I've seen more than one case when one of yours just deleted comments that didn't please them. And when I reported one, Ellen told me to back off. So, where is a justice?

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/sandring" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1263066">sandring </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 18.10.2015

That's a timely move. I fully support it. From now on quite a few users will feel protected against unmotivated aggression or flooding their comments field with off-topic content. Any criticism must be offered, it mustn't come down on a translator as a ton of bricks. Nobody likes bricks falling down on them. Besides, one must remember that the comments field is sort of translators' intellectual property. Now any translator may let in only those whose opinion matters and is welcome. I know a few good translators who have quit because they felt driven into the corner because of open hostility from other users.

Super Member
<a href="/ar/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 01.09.2019
sandring wrote:

Besides, one must remember that the comments field is sort of translators' intellectual property.

What do you mean? An honest question.

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/sandring" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1263066">sandring </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 18.10.2015

Just like a translation, it's a translator's private space. They may monitor their page. Comments are not for criticism, they are for suggestions. I would add on a feature when a translator is allowed to close up or delete comments. Why should I read some BS on my pages? On YT, the submitter may block all the comments. Why not here?

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017

The key word is "sort of"

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 19.07.2018

That’s just way over the top...

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/sandring" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1263066">sandring </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 18.10.2015

The feature works fine :)

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
sandring wrote:

Just like a translation, it's a translator's private space. They may monitor their page. Comments are not for criticism, they are for suggestions. I would add on a feature when a translator is allowed to close up or delete comments. Why should I read some BS on my pages? On YT, the submitter may block all the comments. Why not here?

If as you say they can monitor their page, why can't they manage?
Are YT and LT now близнецы братья? OMG

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/sandring" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1263066">sandring </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 18.10.2015

That's what I'm asking. Why can't translators manage their pages????

Super Member
<a href="/ar/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 01.09.2019

I see. While I agree that a submitter should be able to prevent certain abusive users from commenting on their pages, I can't fully support the idea of being able to close the comment section at random. LT is not YT. On YT, you offer whatever you please: you choose the subject, the format, the content, therefore you have every right to just throw it out there and shut the entire world up. On LT, you take someone else's work (the original), transform it in a certain way and for all intents and purposes claim, implicitly or explicitly, that your transformation is a rendition of someone else's work in a different language. I'm sure you can see how that's a different scenario. But, of course, you should be able to close comments for your own poetry. Translations should remain open to valid, polite and constructive criticism.

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 19.07.2018

M, you got to consider two things:
1. Sasha doesn’t want any of your comments - he will block you
2. Sol and you are right - editor/mod/admin should not delete comments related to translations, and we should not be blocked when comments are made in earnest. Perhaps, if the language was constructive to begin this, this feature wouldn’t be needed. But, you know we flooded some pages - I’d rather translator could wipe those instead of the ones about the meaning of the black tulip.

Expert
<a href="/ar/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1387945">Jadis </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 01.07.2018

In that case, I suggest that a feature would be automaticaly added in the user's profile, meaning "This user doesn't accept criticism over his/her valuable work (because being a genius, he/she doesn't care about your shabby opinions). :)

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017

You said monitor
Sounds like a big brother to me 🤣

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
Jadis wrote:

In that case, I suggest that a feature would be automaticaly added in the user's profile, meaning "This user doesn't accept criticism over his/her valuable work (because being a genius, he/she doesn't care about your shabby opinions). :)

And all their translations are BS until proven unguilty 😁

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I know who to ban.

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<a href="/ar/translator/don-juan" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1110108">Don Juan <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderator" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 05.04.2012

Comments are never 'deleted'. They're just hidden/unpublish. Or disabled.

Almitra wrote:

I can't fully support the idea of being able to close the comment section at random.

Normal users aren't able to do that, only Admins and Mods. And when we do disable commenting it's because we had a reason to, whenever we have doubts we ask our pairs what should we do.

Disabling comments is very drastic, so we don't do it unless we have a very strong reason. I understand that some people do not want comments that have nothing to do with the song/translation in question but, again, it depends on commentator's common sense. We can't ask people not to comment, though we have been asked to do that in the past.

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/sandring" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1263066">sandring </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 18.10.2015

No user minds opinions, everyone minds attitudes.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
BlackSea4ever wrote:

M, you got to consider two things:
1. Sasha doesn’t want any of your comments - he will block you
2. Sol and you are right - editor/mod/admin should not delete comments related to translations, and we should not be blocked when comments are made in earnest. Perhaps, if the language was constructive to begin this, this feature wouldn’t be needed. But, you know we flooded some pages - I’d rather translator could wipe those instead of the ones about the meaning of the black tulip.

Д, вот чего и боюсь. Кроме Саши тут ещё много, несущих пургу,

И за Ст. не отвечаю, но чёрный тюльпан - на моей совести

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
Alma Barroca wrote:

Comments are never 'deleted'. They're just hidden/unpublish. Or disabled.

Really? I thought I was so naive

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/sandring" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1263066">sandring </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 18.10.2015

Actually, that's where your problem is, Masha. You openly state that for you comments fields are for criticism. In fact, they are for discussions and help. So this feature may give you some food for thought. Mind you, I mean well and you know it.

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Added, thank you LT!

Editor
<a href="/ar/translator/iremia" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1440703">Iremia <div class="editor_icon" title="Redacteur" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 09.12.2019

If it is a constructive criticism, why not? Not all criticism is abusive or even aggressive. Sure, everybody should strive to be polite and considerate, no one argues with that. Plus, I’ve seen it many times that original perception of a critique gets cleared up between translator and users, so I would say, it contributes to farther understanding of the issues. To block valid contributors just because you didn’t like their comments is a form of reverse abuse, I think. Super aggressive and abusive users may be reported and notified of some privileges revoked or something instead.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
sandring wrote:

Actually, that's where your problem is, Masha. You openly state that for you comments fields are for criticism. In fact, they are for discussions and help. So this feature may give you some food for thought. Mind you, I mean well and you know it.

Oh, Nadia, dear
You can call my comments sarcasm, I'll accept that.
And my problem is not where you are seeking for
Thanks a lot for being private

Super Member
<a href="/ar/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 01.09.2019
Alma Barroca wrote:

Normal users aren't able to do that, only Admins and Mods.

Absolutely, and that's why I've spoken against giving such powers to all users, unless it's their own poetry. Just like with any site offering a platform for open interaction between people, it's impossible to make rules that satisfy everyone. And it's very important to strike a balance between ousting abusive comments and stifling communication. Most people naturally gravitate towards avoiding any criticisms, so given the power to do so, many would just close their comment sections. And, as much as some people try to deny it, saying that everyone is sick and tired of lengthy exchanges, user activity is good for the site. Otherwise, there would be no badges for top commentators, translations with a lot of activity wouldn't be moved up the ranks, and there would be more measures in place that could prevent extensive discussions. A website whose users block any activity on their translations' pages would be dead in no time.

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Just to clarify, if someone blocks me for instance, will I be able to vote on his/her work?
In my understanding, any vote is a comment itself, plus a negative vote will require some commentary.
10-users list will basically grant immunity from voting in most cases and could be used as a loophole to publish any nonsense.

And my personal take on this:
I would rather live without this feature, but I understand the need of one. In a year+ on LT I haven't seen anyone being banned or warned for deliberately and repeatedly going off-topic or for provoking other users with political discussions on a constant basis. The only users being banned are these registered just for the sake of a verbal abuse. But you know what? They are lesser evil, they are not the reason why long-time users are not leaving LT.  Only these users to blame, who are using this website as a platform to express their negativity and to stoke fires of political and racial conflicts. 

Master
<a href="/ar/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 19.07.2018

Ah, i finally get our problem, 42. Promise no political commentary. Guilty.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017

I'm with 42
I can see some users would to block myself, by wouldn't it because of their sloppy translations?

Administrator
<a href="/ar/translator/lt" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1">LT </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 27.05.2008
St. Sol wrote:

Ha, what did you expect from the resource, based in a place currently occupied by the heirs of WWII Nazi collaborators?

St. Sol wrote:

Please don't tell me you didn't know: google their national heroes S. Bandera and R. Shukhevych.

First rule

Filthy, offensive, and obscene language and images are prohibited on the site, including usernames and profile pictures.That also extends to offending people based on their nationality, sexual orientation, skin color, religious beliefs, etc. This is a multicultural and multinational website, so respect comes always in first place. No insults are allowed, except for within lyrics.

We'll be forced to block the user for a week. Sorry for the off topic.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
lt wrote:
St. Sol wrote:

Ha, what did you expect from the resource, based in a place currently occupied by the heirs of WWII Nazi collaborators?

St. Sol wrote:

Please don't tell me you didn't know: google their national heroes S. Bandera and R. Shukhevych.

First rule

Filthy, offensive, and obscene language and images are prohibited on the site, including usernames and profile pictures.That also extends to offending people based on their nationality, sexual orientation, skin color, religious beliefs, etc. This is a multicultural and multinational website, so respect comes always in first place. No insults are allowed, except for within lyrics.

We'll be forced to block the user for a week. Sorry for the off topic.

I don't understand what was so bad in user's reply,(бандера reference?) maybe you could explain a little more>

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Well, I stand corrected.

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<a href="/ar/translator/citl%C4%81licue" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1109697">citlālicue <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderatore" ></div></a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 31.03.2012

You have nothing to worry about as long as you follow the rules. If you've never had to deal with mods/editors before, then what's the problem? People calling out "oh, only staff members can't be added to that list? that's unfair *pouts*", guess what? those users have been called out on one thing or another in the past.

Staff members are here to enforce the rules, if you break one then you are warned. If you continue to ignore it and do whatever you please, then it's the admins that come in and deal with you, not us. Being left a comment in your translation because your translation / submission violates a rule is a courtesy for you to amend your translations or to notify you as to why your submission / translation was unpublished, the reason being: In the past, when we didn't notify users, users would take it upon themselves to threaten us, curse us out (everything under the sun basically) through PMs. Now, we must state why we do anything. This way, if you find something unfair, you can take it up with the administrators and show them whatever reason we gave you.

Same way where we sometimes need to intervene when users start fighting in the comments section, we come in and tell users to stop or we disable the comments section until people calm down, usually followed by a comment with "comments have been temporarily disabled".

If I wasn't a moderator, like hell I'd want to know:
- Why my submission / page / collection / translation was unpublished
- Why changes were made to the lyrics and I wasn't notified of it
- Why a moderator edited my translation page (and what they did to it)
- Why my comments were disabled

etc.

It's only a handful of users that we constantly have to notify in the comments for specific things:
- This song is a duplicate, stop adding duplicates, I sent out 10 PMs, left you 20 comments with the same thing etc. is it a language barrier?
- This song violates the site's rules (insert reason here)
- This translation isn't sourced, this is your *number here*th translation you've added without a source. We have sent you countless PMs warning you not to do it, this is your notification that hereon after, all unsourced translations will be unpublished.

So what's the real issue? if you just have issues with any form of authority, then I hate to break it to you but that's what rules are for, that's what we (the unpaid, unappreciated, always being threatened (sometimes with violence or death)) the staff are here for. I hate being told what to do as much as the next person (because, come on, who doesn't? don't even lie to yourself), but rules are rules. Just follow them to the best of your ability and we won't have to come in and leave comments on anything you submit. But if you're purposely going out of your way to do it just so that we do come in and leave a comment, then cry "see! they're always harassing me *cries*", then that's a you problem.

I think this is a good idea though, this way reports from users reporting other users hijacking their comments or leaving them hateful comments / spam will go down. Users can do it themselves now.

Short and sweet: Why can't we add mods / editors to the list = Why can't we just go into a store and grab whatever we want without paying and dealing with the consequences?

My door is always open to anyone who wants to discuss anything with me, don't lump all of us and assume whatever bad experiences you've had with others applies to the rest of us.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017

Guess what
As I said before, we appreciate your efforts, we just don't like your efforts on the subjects you don't like or ones you don't understand

If you want to punish me for saying mods are wrong, go ahead,

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Oops. Someone just got it right between the eyes. I'll go back to my bongos until the air clears up a bit.

Still, I don't believe in blocking people. Denying someone the right to talk is violence in itself. I'm ok with it as a last resort measure when talking has proven insufficient, but not as a push button feature. It only stokes resentment while sweeping it under the rug. It's like sitting on the safety valve while the pressure builds up. I won't fuss about it, but I'd rather live without this feature. Hopefully it will not have unwanted side effects.

Banned User
<a href="/ar/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat </a>
تاريخ الانضمام: 16.12.2017
lt wrote:
St. Sol wrote:

Ha, what did you expect from the resource, based in a place currently occupied by the heirs of WWII Nazi collaborators?

St. Sol wrote:

Please don't tell me you didn't know: google their national heroes S. Bandera and R. Shukhevych.

First rule

Filthy, offensive, and obscene language and images are prohibited on the site, including usernames and profile pictures.That also extends to offending people based on their nationality, sexual orientation, skin color, religious beliefs, etc. This is a multicultural and multinational website, so respect comes always in first place. No insults are allowed, except for within lyrics.

We'll be forced to block the user for a week. Sorry for the off topic.

'
[@LT] , are you serious?
Not witch hunting?

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تاريخ الانضمام: 31.03.2012

Is that directed at me? If not, then you should have just replied to the thread instead of my comment. Doing so tells me it's personal, that I have wronged you somehow in the past and now you feel we (the staff) are all the same. Correct me if I'm wrong.

we just don't like your efforts on the subjects you don't like or ones you don't understand

Elaborate on this. If not directed at me, then give me an example of what you mean by this. I personally don't meddle when there's a language barrier. I won't tell you, a native Russian user that something is wrong with your work because I am *not* a native Russian speaker. I always state facts, rarely do I let my person opinions / emotions cloud my judgment. If I have done so in the past, call me out on it, I won't shatter into piece and I'm not above any regular user. I feel as if most of you think all of the staff are just stubborn as mules and that we can't admit when we're wrong or when we shouldn't have dealt with something in a certain way.

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