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Любимый Сталин

Много есть людей великих,
Чьи дела в веках живут,
Много есть имён великих,
Что бессмертными зовут.
 
Много сказочных героев
Сохранил напев былин,
Но простой из всех героев
И родной нам всем — один.
 
Среди гор провёл он детство,
За полётом птиц следил,
Получил от гор в наследство
Красоту орлиных крыл.
 
Его имя, грянув громом,
Пронеслось за океан,
Стало близким и знакомым
Пролетариям всех стран.
 
На большой земле Китая,
Дорогое всем сердцам,
Это имя возвещает
Фанзам — мир, конец — дворцам.
 
Сталин — это счастья знамя,
Человечества рассвет!
Пусть живёт любимый Сталин
Много-много долгих лет!
 
Превод

Beloved Stalin

There are many great people,
Whose deeds will live throughout centuries,
There are many great names,
That are called immortal.
 
Many legendary heroes
Has retained the song of epics,
But the simple and dear to us all
Of all heroes is [only] one.
 
He spent his childhood in the mountains,
Watched the flight of the birds,
He inherited from the mountains
The beauty of the eagle's wings.
 
His name, roaring like thunder,
Speeded over the ocean,
Became close and familiar
To the proletarians of all countries.
 
On the wide land of China,
Dear to every heart,
This name is announcing
Peace to the huts, end to the palaces.
 
Stalin is the banner of happiness,
The dawn of humanity!
May beloved Stalin live
Many-many long years!
 
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BlackSea4everBlackSea4ever    неделя, 05/04/2020 - 00:00

Just to be clear,
Prior to the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin's regime were 20 million or higher.[4][5][6]
After the USSR dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[7] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag[8][9] some 390,000[10] deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s[11] – with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[12]
The deaths of at least 5.5 to 6.5 million[13] persons in the famine of 1932–33 are sometimes, but not always,[2][14] included with the victims of the Stalin era.

BlackSea4everBlackSea4ever    неделя, 05/04/2020 - 04:10

Are you questioning the numbers or the fact that Stalin, like Hitler, was a mass murderer?
I was trying to annotate: Сталин — это счастья знамя, Человечества рассвет!

FreigeistFreigeist
   неделя, 05/04/2020 - 04:59

Stalin helped the Soviet people to be saved from Nazi-slavery,
and helped Germany and Europe to be freed from the Nazi-regime of terror.
To compare Stalin with Hitler is a savage crudity nurtured by anti-communism.
Anti-communism means pro-capitalism ergo: pro Trump.

Stupid MothStupid Moth    неделя, 05/04/2020 - 05:09

Man I'd love for you to say all this to my Ukrainian grandmother if she was still alive. I'm sure the Holodomor that she barely escaped was some kind of a pro-trump conspiracy... Do you not realize that you literally sound the same as Holocaust deniers right now?

Hey look at this, https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Holodomor-Bo... it looks like those capitalist pigs were at it again with the photoshop, eh?

ZKPY_47ZKPY_47
   понеделник, 06/04/2020 - 13:35

We're not denying that the famine happened. We're denying that it was the Soviet goverment's fault, instead of natural causes and sabotage, while the Soviet government actually tried to alleviate the situation. The picture may as well be real (although it is indeed easy to photoshop something, or simply take it out of context). "the Holodomor that she barely escaped" — Escaped? Well, why did your grandmother escape? I mean, she couldn't have foreseen that a famine would happen, she surely had a different reason?

It's not directly pro-trump. By making up bad things about the communist system, capitalism — the system the brought Trump to power — justifies its existence. It's pro-capitalist. Trump is just one of the worse results of capitalism.

BlackSea4everBlackSea4ever    понеделник, 06/04/2020 - 14:31

Soviet government is the machine fully responsible for the famine and the affected population. Just as the Trump government is fully responsible - not for the virus, but for lying, not preparing, decimating departments that could handle pandemic response effectively, firing and dislocating scientists, failing to compel necessary production, failing to stop critically needed exports.

I started this response to say specifically that Stalin should not have been praised:
Сталин — это счастья знамя, Человечества рассвет! — god help us and keep us from such happiness and enlightenment!

FreigeistFreigeist
   вторник, 07/04/2020 - 05:28

With the implementation of the first five-year plan, the industrialization of the Soviet Union boomed until the late 1920s. From 1928 to 1933 alone, the number of workers in the large industry doubled. The population of the cities grew tremendously quickly. Agriculture did not keep up with this development. Millions of small farmers were forced to work on hunger wages with the kulaks (big farmers) like soccage farmers. They could hardly cultivate enough for themselves and their families on their small plots. Grain production in 1926 only reached 91% of the pre-war level. For cities, only 37% of pre-war grain (before 1914) was available. The collectivization of agriculture (collective farms) was the ultimate way to be able to supply the grown population. Lenin had already pointed this out in 1918 and the XV. CPSU Party Congress passed a corresponding decision in 1927.

In January 1933 there were already 200,000 collective farms and 5,000 statal crops and cattle farms in the Soviet Union. The collective farms comprised 70% of the agricultural area. Instead of 500 to 600 million poods of commodity grain (grain beyond the farmer's private demands), 1,200 to 1,400 million poods were now available. The economic basis of the kulaks, the exploitation of the small farmers, was shattered because the small farmers now had an alternative. Many kulaks had entered the collective farms themselves. The USSR had become the country harbouring the largest agricultural enterprises of the world.

How did the 1932/33 famine come about?
On the one hand, the weather conditions in Ukraine in the summer of 1932 were particularly unfavorable.
However, that was not the main cause. The main cause was the neglect of the party's efforts to convince small and medium-sized farmers of collectivization. Instead of promoting the voluntary union as demanded by Lenin, the party's bureaucratic cadres had used coercion. That was grist to the mills of the kulaks, who agitated against collectivization. In the late 1920s there were uprisings against collectivization in western Ukraine. Stalin condemned this practice in his speech "Dizzy with Success" (March 1930).
("Collective farms must not be established by force. That would be foolish and reactionary. The collective-farm movement must rest on the active support of the main mass of the peasantry. (...) But what actually happens sometimes? Can it be said that the voluntary principle and the principle of taking local peculiarities into account are not violated in a number of areas? No, that cannot be said, unfortunately. We know, for example, that in a number of the northern areas of the consuming zone, where the conditions for the immediate organisation of collective farms are comparatively less favourable than in the grain-growing areas, attempts are not infrequently made to replace preparatory work for the organisation of collective farms by bureaucratic decreeing of the collective-farm movement, paper resolutions on the growth of collective farms, organisation of collective farms on paper — collective farms which have as yet no reality, but whose “existence” is proclaimed in a heap of boastful resolutions.)
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1930/03/02.htm

The collectivization was very attractive to many small farmers because it was the only thing that offered a way out of ruin.
Kulaks and popes incited the farmers to kill their cattle before joining the collective farm, as they would be taken away from them anyway which was not true. But a lot of cattle were lost and missing, both as food and as cattle for work.
Kulaks and popes called for harvesting only what was needed personally and for the seeds. The grain was not harvested.
Eventually, many kulaks went to the kolkhoz themselves, took on managerial posts, and opposed the grain levy that fed the urban population. The state resorted to forced collections.

The vast majority of the reactionary kulaks were hostile to the building of socialism.
Wherever they calculated an opportunity, they switched from organized, stubborn resistance and the mass sabotage of the harvest and food supply to open resistance with rioting and insurrection.
The starved and murdered for whom they are responsible are today counted among the "victims of Stalinism", which are said to comprise "7 to 10 million deaths" for the part of the victims of the 1932/33 famine. It is striking that there is no mention of such casualties in post-war Western history books.

The Kharkov district was the most affected by the famine. According to Wikipedia, there were 45,000 starvation victims in it. If you extrapolate this number, there are a maximum of 500,000 deaths in Ukraine. In 1926, 23.2 million people lived in Ukraine. In 1937 there were 22.2 million. If the horror count of 7 to 10 million starvation victims in 1932/33 were correct, it would have required a population increase of 70 percent in just 10 years!

The Holodomor myth is part of a general anti-communist campaign to criminalize communism.

BlackSea4everBlackSea4ever    вторник, 07/04/2020 - 10:53

Holodomor isn’t a myth to those who starved and died. It isn’t about the numbers, but mismanagement, obstinacy, willful ignorance, and complete lack of desire to help people. Once again, you can’t criminalize communism as it never happened.
I suppose some people will persist in idolizing Stalin and excusing the slaughters, as some people persist with worshipping Hitler, and as too many do today with Trump. It would be more productive if we figured out how to help each other.

BlackSea4everBlackSea4ever    неделя, 05/04/2020 - 09:26

Not at all in agreement, Hansi.
It was soviet people who saved their country and Europe from Nazis. Stalin cannot be credited for much because short of not leaving Moscow, his contribution was minimal. As the matter of fact, he tried his best to be friends with Hitler. It was Stalin who ordered soldiers shot if they were falling back. It was Stalin who took people from their homes and tortured, killed, send them to gulags. It was Stalin who made neighbor denounce neighbor, worker denounce his fellow worker. He killed writers and military leaders, he killed their families and friends. He killed people that believed in communism, who were true revolutionaries. He is indefensible.
There was NEVER communism so there can’t be anti-communism. No point arguing this utopia at the time when ideals are shot through with the bullet holes. What trump is - stupid, vain, vengeful man who may well resort to Stalin’s purges. Yes, he hasn’t imprisoned his critics. Yet. Yes, he hasn’t killed journalists, like Putin. Yet. But he wouldn’t mind. He already has blood on his hands. Already.
Pro-capitalism? Why not. If you think soviet Russia did not have capitalists, you are sadly mistaken. It was just limited to those who grabbed power. What’s wrong with being paid and rise in your career without the “communist” party, mandatory meetings, work Saturday’s? What’s wrong with buying your house instead of living with your parents in one room and sharing a bathroom with the neighbors? What’s wrong with having money you earned, not inherited like trump?
Why not take the best from the ideas of communism and capitalism? Why should not the richest of rich pay more - their profits were made by the rest of us? Why should I tolerate a man like trump who does not believe in science, does not support arts, who exhibits lack of desire to learn, who is vain enough to want compliments when his countrymen are suffering? Why shouldn’t I want education that’s if not free then at least reasonably priced? Why should I not insist on free medical care? Why shouldn’t we ALL insist the environment, the planet, the animals are cared for!
No, I don’t support trump. But you won’t see me let people mistakenly praise Stalin!

FreigeistFreigeist
   понеделник, 06/04/2020 - 03:23
BlackSea4ever wrote:

But you won’t see me let people mistakenly praise Stalin!

This is a song from history, obviously.
So nobody praises Stalin here.
It is up to us to evaluate it.
I personally am not a friend of glorification of persons or ideologies.
I prefer to analyze and stay down-to earth.

I admit that obviously there was criminal activity under the banner of socialism that cost many lives.
So far, however, there is no evidence that Stalin was personally responsible for these crimes.
So far, no one has been able to prove this using valid documents.
Stalin's error was to rely on bureaucratic means - that is, the secret services - to combat the emerging petty-bourgeois bureaucracy that sought to eliminate socialism, rather than relying on the masses and waging a systematic struggle against the petty-bourgeois mindset.

BlackSea4ever wrote:

It was soviet people who saved their country and Europe from Nazis. Stalin cannot be credited for much because short of not leaving Moscow, his contribution was minimal.

So it must have been miraculous how to motivate a people to prove such an increadible endeavor to fight and defeat the predominant fascist invaders if they were opressed and exploited by a cruel dictator.
The Soviet people would never have been capable of this unsurpassed feat if they hadn't wanted to defend not only their homeland and their freedom, but also socialism.

Khrushchev's lie, for example, that Stalin "crawled" into his dacha after the Wehrmacht attack, has long since been refuted. The truth is that Stalin assumed a central and leading role in organizing the country's defense from the first day of Nazi-Germany's attack.
Stalin took care for the technical equipment of the Red Army even before the war. As head of the headquarters, Stalin was in close contact with operational directors and designers during the war. He always had an overview of the production figures and the level of development of the technical weapons.

The State Defense Committee (Stawka) was founded on June 30, 1941, and its chairman was Stalin. During the war, the Stawka took around 10,000 military and economic decisions. Consultations took place almost daily. Stalin was also Supreme Commander, General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars and People's Commissioner for Defense. All important decisions were only taken after extensive consultation with the experts in the respective specialist field.

The general staff, the most important military organ, was directly subordinate to Stalin. The task of the general staff was to conduct the military operations on the different fronts, to have an overview of the situation on the fronts at all times, to prepare the necessary decisions, enactments, directives and to organize the implementation of the decisions. The general staff worked around the clock. Stalin himself started working between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m. and worked until 3 or 4 a.m. the next day.

BlackSea4ever wrote:

As the matter of fact, he tried his best to be friends with Hitler.

By claiming this you must have been fallen to one more of the hundreds of journalist's and bourgeoise historians lies.
Stalin was always aware of the aggressive character of Hitler's fascism and that his ultimate goal was to conquer the Soviet Union and destroy socialism. There was no point of trying to be friends with a fascist.
If you refer to the German-Soviet treaty of nonaggression of August 1939 it was a tactical manouver by the Soviets to agree in this treaty proposed by Nazi-Germany in order to gain time for preparing the Red Army and boost industrial war production.

BlackSea4everBlackSea4ever    понеделник, 06/04/2020 - 03:55

We could have an endless discussion on this. I don’t know what sources you trust, but I rely on what my grandfather, who held quite high positions, told me about the denunciations, arrests, starvation, excommunication from party and hiding until reinstated, about greed even during wartime and how he was offered to leave his post or be killed. My father, with a long carrier in the Soviet Army, told me of the orders to shoot soldiers who ran (shall we say children who ran), of the orders to save the artillery when falling back in water without rafts..., an order to shoot him - he was saved by his commander, he told me of the atrocities in Poland, he told me how he told his soldiers he would shoot anyone raping German girls, he told me as a child how they were starving when grandpa wouldn’t take bribes, he told be of the murder of his friend thrown from the building, a friend sent to gulag, he told me how he was treated when he himself was falsely accused and arrested - after a week he came home completely grey.
There was no communism and any utopia will remain an utopia until people will grow conscious and share concern for each other - we seem to have lost the path. When a Jew doesn’t care about a black or Hispanic child, we sank pretty low.
And still you cannot dismiss Stalin’s sins any more that you can overlook Trumps. If you lead one of these powers, you have the responsibility to set the tone, the policy, the result of your indifference is counted in human lives.