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The Bride/Black Mamba
Beigetreten: 03.10.2015

We have to add songs only?

Moderator of void
Beigetreten: 27.06.2016
lt wrote:

One can add an artist, song or translation to the collection, or a mix.

Later collections were added to the list.

Jack's Smirking Revenge
Beigetreten: 24.12.2011

Hi,

i wanted to know if this is possible to nominate other users to be able to modify and participate at the improvment of a collection.

I posted before in a new thread and got this answer
link: https://lyricstranslate.com/en/forum/report-problem-ask-question/modify-...

Thx

Moderator
Beigetreten: 15.02.2013
Ivan U7n wrote:

The big question is HOW do we CREATE these collections? Or am I the only one who doesn't see the magical "create collection" button?

My BIG QUESTION is, how do you add a song to a collection? Or am I the only one who doesn't know how?

Moderator of void
Beigetreten: 27.06.2016

Using the green "Add collection item" button in collection edit mode. Or did you mean something else?

Moderator
Beigetreten: 15.02.2013

Thank you, Ivan.
What I want is to add some songs to a certain collection.
I never find those famous buttons.
I'll try.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
roster 31 wrote:

Thank you, Ivan.
What I want is to add some songs to a certain collection.
I never find those famous buttons.
I'll try.

Well you don't seem to have created any collection yourself thus far.

And currently we normally don't edit other users' collections.
It actually was suggested to make it possible to allow that to specific users 4 comments above.

Moderator
Beigetreten: 15.02.2013

I don't want to edit anything. I never touch other users work. What I want is to add songs (i don't know why) to a category that already exists.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
roster 31 wrote:

I don't want to edit anything. I never touch other users work. What I want is to add songs (i don't know why) to a category that already exists.

That is what I mean by editing it.

I actually posted my opinion on that here yesterday: https://lyricstranslate.com/en/forum/report-problem-ask-question/modify-...

Retired Moderator
Beigetreten: 16.07.2012

Props to the admin for implementing this feature. My suggestions to improve the feature:

  • Allow user to suggest an entry to a collection through some sort of system instead of users commenting on the collection.
  • Allow creators of users to allow or disallow suggestions
  • Sub-headers for the collection for better organization
  • Allow users to place custom images for songs without videos - It would be more aesthetically pleasing if there are no entries with no visual representation in a collection.
  • The collections themselves could be categorized (Some collections deals with songs used in a certain event/television show, some on the theme/subject of the songs themselves, some are grouped based on song titles, and some are personal collections)
Moderator
Beigetreten: 18.11.2011

I have also thought about different categories, it might make browsing the collections easier. Like hariboneagle927 said, one category could be for song competitions/TV shows about singing etc., one for personal collections... Soundtracks could also be one category - or just a category for music used in different TV shows/movies.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

What do you think about awards for suggestions in comments? it seems to me that good suggestions demonstrate person's open-mindedness and competence in music and need to be encouraged.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
solo wrote:

What do you think about awards for suggestions in comments? it seems to me that good suggestions demonstrate person's open-mindedness and competence in music and need to be encouraged.

I normally just give them a like and say thanks.

Otherwise, also the one who started the collection would need to be rewarded for what they add to their collection on their own.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

Yes, creator of the collection can also be awarded for each input, why not. But then there is a problem of measuring whether or not are songs correspondent to the declared topic. And description is needed to be very clear. I'm just suggesting such features, and reflecting on it.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

Frankly speaking, the idea and purpose of creating collections isn't quite clear for me. On one hand, collection can be "interesting experience" for its creator, then he operates it solely on his own, describes as he wants, adds or not the songs, suggested by others, and if not, they don't get dissapointed. But on the other hand, collection can be a navigation tip, used to improve differentiation of the songs by some criterions. Then it has global, omni-classifying nature, must be very accurate, and needs some sort of regulation. It appears to me that at this moment collections is more like first scenario. But I want to ask creators of this feature itself - what was your original idea? just want to understand.

Editor and cheeky nitpicker
Beigetreten: 14.09.2013
solo wrote:

What do you think about awards for suggestions in comments? it seems to me that good suggestions demonstrate person's open-mindedness and competence in music and need to be encouraged.

I'd rather like LT to remain a place where people do art for art's sake, as far as possible.
If we add ego candy to the mix, my bet is we'll get the suggestions of "competent and open-minded people" all the same, plus extra noise from the dopamine addicts.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

absolutely agree about "art for art's sake". just thinking about accuracy, which depends on the purpose of collections. if they are global, so to say, tip - there is higher responsibility for the content, you know. if they are just private initiative - no need, of course.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
solo wrote:

Frankly speaking, the idea and purpose of creating collections isn't quite clear for me. On one hand, collection can be "interesting experience" for its creator, then he operates it solely on his own, describes as he wants, adds or not the songs, suggested by others, and if not, they don't get dissapointed. But on the other hand, collection can be a navigation tip, used to improve differentiation of the songs by some criterions. Then it has global, omni-classifying nature, must be very accurate, and needs some sort of regulation. It appears to me that at this moment collections is more like first scenario. But I want to ask creators of this feature itself - what was your original idea? just want to understand.

Collections are a quite new feature, and their purpose has never been officially stated. I would suppose they simply are what users make of them.
@lt Perhaps you want to give some input on this, admins?

Since collections currently can only be edited by their creator, they are often of a personal nature.
However, they are also useful for making global, objective collections, and quite many of those collections have already been created.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 06.02.2016

collections are a very useful feature, and can help to keep track of songs, performers, genres or folders of a similar kind, that are otherwise hard to keep track of. they can also be used to make personal collections. they further can be used as a "radio" due to the flash player function on bottom of screen.

Editor and cheeky nitpicker
Beigetreten: 14.09.2013

I'd rather not expect collections to be any kind of reference material. As I see them, collections are just a nice feature that allows to discover songs you might have otherwise missed.
That doesn't prevent dedicated users creating serious themed collections, but that should be left to the appreciation of each user and in no way mandatory.

Just as for pretty much any contribution on this site, everyone can expect a wide range of "quality", according to their own definition of the term. As the saying goes, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Trying to achieve a minimal "quality level" would be a radical departure from the current site philosophy. That would require an agreement on a unique and practical definition of "quality". Then this "quality" would have to be enforced by people legitimate enough to avoid problems like bruised egos, cultural clashes and fairness issues.

I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but that would change LT beyond recognition and, in my opinion, make it a lot less interesting and pleasant place.
By and large the site managed to preserve for years the carefree and relaxed mood that made it so attractive from day one. I'd rather keep it going that way, even if that means a few somewhat messy collections.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011

I agree, most collections should be just what users make of them.

But with some, they would be very handy for being officially used for content that was previously grouped together by special artist pages.
And for those, some more centralized form of quality control would be of advantage.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 13.04.2017
SaintMark wrote:

they further can be used as a "radio" due to the flash player function on bottom of screen.

Couldn't that feature be turned off, I wonder? I like to browse through some colections, but don't need this 'radio' at all while browsing... And it could even be somewhat annoying on mobile devices...

Aɴɴɪɴɢᴀɴ & Mᴀʟɪɴᴀ
Beigetreten: 10.05.2012

I agree, sometimes it's unnecessary. It would be better to make it optional, but I think someone already told so.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 06.02.2016

just push "pause"

Moderator of void
Beigetreten: 27.06.2016

Yep, it was me, as it annoys me when I use my phone. Regular smile

Super Member
Beigetreten: 13.04.2017

I could probably try to feed it to my Greasemonkey, but it ain't living in my phone... Sad smile

Editor and cheeky nitpicker
Beigetreten: 14.09.2013
Sciera wrote:

But with some, they would be very handy for being officially used for content that was previously grouped together by special artist pages.
And for those, some more centralized form of quality control would be of advantage.

You mean things like nursery rhymes or folk songs, for instance?
That sure would free up the artist's name when the actual authors are known, but that doesn't seem like a trivial thing to implement.
But maybe you already have a more precise idea of how it could be done?

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
Brat wrote:
SaintMark wrote:

they further can be used as a "radio" due to the flash player function on bottom of screen.

Couldn't that feature be turned off, I wonder? I like to browse through some colections, but don't need this 'radio' at all while browsing... And it could even be somewhat annoying on mobile devices...

Yeah, good idea. Even on my laptop I have the impression that it's slowing down a tad.

SaintMark wrote:

just push "pause"

That makes no difference. Haven't even clicked on "play" and it already seems to slow down the browser at times

petit élève wrote:
Sciera wrote:

But with some, they would be very handy for being officially used for content that was previously grouped together by special artist pages.
And for those, some more centralized form of quality control would be of advantage.

You mean things like nursery rhymes or folk songs, for instance?

Exactly.

Quote:

That sure would free up the artist's name when the actual authors are known, but that doesn't seem like a trivial thing to implement.
But maybe you already have a more precise idea of how it could be done?

I know that some users have started making such collections. They could be given into the hand of the staff, and editing rights could be given to users who seem fit for the job and want to take care of it, or a suggestion feature for collections could be added that doesn't work via comments.
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Editor and cheeky nitpicker
Beigetreten: 14.09.2013
Sciera wrote:

They could be given into the hand of the staff, and editing rights could be given to users who seem fit for the job and want to take care of it, or a suggestion feature for collections could be added that doesn't work via comments.

A lightweight way of doing things. I rather like that.

The only problem I see would be for new songs. You'd need a simple way of knowing in which collection to put them, i.e. provide the user adding the song with a means of letting the collection manager know about it.

A dedicated way of suggesting additions would certainly be a nice feature.The person doing the suggestion could fill in all necessary informations (link and optional comments) and the collection owner would just have to validate it (possibly adding or modifying comments).
That would solve the current "comments clutter" problem, and limit the extra amount of work for users adding new songs that belong in a collection to a minimum.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
petit élève wrote:
Sciera wrote:

They could be given into the hand of the staff, and editing rights could be given to users who seem fit for the job and want to take care of it, or a suggestion feature for collections could be added that doesn't work via comments.

A lightweight way of doing things. I rather like that.

The only problem I see would be for new songs. You'd need a simple way of knowing in which collection to put them, i.e. provide the user adding the song with a means of letting the collection manager know about it.

We could make a collection of those official collections Wink smile

Quote:

A dedicated way of suggesting additions would certainly be a nice feature.The person doing the suggestion could fill in all necessary informations (link and optional comments) and the collection owner would just have to validate it (possibly adding or modifying comments).
That would solve the current "comments clutter" problem, and limit the extra amount of work for users adding new songs that belong in a collection to a minimum.

In that context it was brought up before.
Personally, I don't see that much issue with the many comments, but if one really just wants to give an obvious suggestion, an automatized way would make it a tad more simple for both sides.

Jack's Smirking Revenge
Beigetreten: 24.12.2011
Sciera wrote:

I agree, most collections should be just what users make of them.

But with some, they would be very handy for being officially used for content that was previously grouped together by special artist pages.
And for those, some more centralized form of quality control would be of advantage.

I find it also very useful to have categories that precisely defined will help to chose quickly a song speaking of a particular theme.
If i come to this website which has more than 1000 songs, do i have hope to find a song (i mean the right one that explains my situation) speaking of "a cat with whom i broke, and i feel sad now?"
With collections officially used, and updated by suggestions having to be checked by someone in charge of it
i go to the right collections, and look in a restrained field of songs, that have already been pre-selected, according to a human factor, which can understand the real meaning of the song, which helps categorize better than just a search engine, and if possible with description
That would greatly help in a short time the user to chose a song in thousands.

Editor and cheeky nitpicker
Beigetreten: 14.09.2013
Brat wrote:

I could probably try to feed it to my Greasemonkey, but it ain't living in my phone... Sad smile

Rather try to feed it to the gremlins, they tend to be better at these sorts of things Teeth smile

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

I can't publish or save collection as a draft, "the website encountered an unexpected error". can you fix that?

Aɴɴɪɴɢᴀɴ & Mᴀʟɪɴᴀ
Beigetreten: 10.05.2012

That problem has been occurring for a while now. It's not a real error warning though: you've actually published a first and a second collection perfectly identical. That's because the collection has been published anyway, but you didn't know that and tried to publish it a second time.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

Oh, thank you very much! I'll correct that and publish others.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

Maybe, you can help me with other problem - I've created some collections and want to combine them in one big collection. But when I "add item", my collections don't display among possible options. And I want to finish that because without this one big collection it doesn't make sense.

Aɴɴɪɴɢᴀɴ & Mᴀʟɪɴᴀ
Beigetreten: 10.05.2012

You should be able to easily add a collection but typing the collection title in the Item box. You might have problems with songs/ artists/ collections that have the same name (imagine how many songs titled "Shine" are on the database, it's gets tricky if you don't have any other word in the title), so just copy-paste the URL on the Item box and the wanted result should be shown without any problem.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

I see all the items with similar names, but not my collection. I think it's because the engine recognizes it as non-existent due to error. Copy-pasting the URL doesn't help, but thank you anyway. I'll do some sort of middle ground.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
DarkJoshua wrote:

That problem has been occurring for a while now. It's not a real error warning though: you've actually published a first and a second collection perfectly identical. That's because the collection has been published anyway, but you didn't know that and tried to publish it a second time.

Strange, I haven't encountered any errors when working with draft collections or publishing them.
I wouldn't even know how to reproduce adding a duplicate that way.

DarkJoshua wrote:

You should be able to easily add a collection but typing the collection title in the Item box. You might have problems with songs/ artists/ collections that have the same name (imagine how many songs titled "Shine" are on the database, it's gets tricky if you don't have any other word in the title), so just copy-paste the URL on the Item box and the wanted result should be shown without any problem.

Adding something via the URL doesn't seem to work anymore, already reported it to the admins yesterday.

solo wrote:

I see all the items with similar names, but not my collection. I think it's because the engine recognizes it as non-existent due to error. Copy-pasting the URL doesn't help, but thank you anyway. I'll do some sort of middle ground.

I recently encountered a similar issue, but with a song I had just added. After waiting an hour or so (dunno), it worked.

Aɴɴɪɴɢᴀɴ & Mᴀʟɪɴᴀ
Beigetreten: 10.05.2012
Sciera wrote:
DarkJoshua wrote:

That problem has been occurring for a while now. It's not a real error warning though: you've actually published a first and a second collection perfectly identical. That's because the collection has been published anyway, but you didn't know that and tried to publish it a second time.

Strange, I haven't encountered any errors when working with draft collections or publishing them.
I wouldn't even know how to reproduce adding a duplicate that way.

I had this problem once or twice, but it seems to be random.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
DarkJoshua wrote:
Sciera wrote:
DarkJoshua wrote:

That problem has been occurring for a while now. It's not a real error warning though: you've actually published a first and a second collection perfectly identical. That's because the collection has been published anyway, but you didn't know that and tried to publish it a second time.

Strange, I haven't encountered any errors when working with draft collections or publishing them.
I wouldn't even know how to reproduce adding a duplicate that way.

I had this problem once or twice, but it seems to be random.

Still, publishing a draft, at least for me as a mod, never actually creates an entry, it merely marks an already existing entry as published. No idea how that could ever cause a duplicate.

EDIT: Okay, I re-read the first comment, and noticed it's ambiguous - @solo: were you talking about publishing an existing draft, or about creating a collection from zero?

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012

Thanks for details. I've noticed that every song has unique number (it appears when you add songs as items), and I suppose the collection has it too. I wish I knew it but seems like it's a techical detail, not accessible via customary interface.

Aɴɴɪɴɢᴀɴ & Mᴀʟɪɴᴀ
Beigetreten: 10.05.2012

What I think he did is what I did when I had the same problem: first he published it and he got the fake error, then tried a second time and got a second fake error. At last he probably thought "can't be bothered, gonna publish this afterwards" and tried to save it as draft, problem was that he got another error. Thing is, the feature is very recent and you've got problems for multiple reasons, sometimes it seems to be fixed, then it comes back, then it's all fine and I lose track of what's happening.

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012
Sciera wrote:

Okay, I re-read the first comment, and noticed it's ambiguous - @solo: were you talking about publishing an existing draft, or about creating a collection from zero?

Some of them I tried to save as a draft, it ended in error. So I then tried to save them and publish - the same error. But they are still accessible from my account. Maybe, some of you can just try to enter first letters of the name of any of my collection and check if it's available for adding as an item?

Super Member
Beigetreten: 13.04.2017
Sciera wrote:
petit élève wrote:
Sciera wrote:

They could be given into the hand of the staff, and editing rights could be given to users who seem fit for the job and want to take care of it, or a suggestion feature for collections could be added that doesn't work via comments.

A lightweight way of doing things. I rather like that.

The only problem I see would be for new songs. You'd need a simple way of knowing in which collection to put them, i.e. provide the user adding the song with a means of letting the collection manager know about it.

We could make a collection of those official collections Wink smile

Quote:

A dedicated way of suggesting additions would certainly be a nice feature.The person doing the suggestion could fill in all necessary informations (link and optional comments) and the collection owner would just have to validate it (possibly adding or modifying comments).
That would solve the current "comments clutter" problem, and limit the extra amount of work for users adding new songs that belong in a collection to a minimum.

In that context it was brought up before.
Personally, I don't see that much issue with the many comments, but if one really just wants to give an obvious suggestion, an automatized way would make it a tad more simple for both sides.

I think there could be 'suggested' items displayed at the very bottom of a collection list as smaller icons so that users could see them (and also like by pressing the attached button). These 'suggested' items could be 'approved' or 'denied' by the collection's author and also, in case of no decision, could be added to collections on an automated basis (i.e. after getting more than 5 likes or waiting for more than 2 months). Collections could also be divided into 2 (or even more) groups: 1. "Personal" collections (where there's impossible to suggest new items, except by means of leaving comments) 2. "Open" collections that would imply the above said. User then should be given a button that would "open/close" their collections for "suggestions".

lt
Administrator
Beigetreten: 27.05.2008
Sciera wrote:
solo wrote:

Frankly speaking, the idea and purpose of creating collections isn't quite clear for me. On one hand, collection can be "interesting experience" for its creator, then he operates it solely on his own, describes as he wants, adds or not the songs, suggested by others, and if not, they don't get dissapointed. But on the other hand, collection can be a navigation tip, used to improve differentiation of the songs by some criterions. Then it has global, omni-classifying nature, must be very accurate, and needs some sort of regulation. It appears to me that at this moment collections is more like first scenario. But I want to ask creators of this feature itself - what was your original idea? just want to understand.

Collections are a quite new feature, and their purpose has never been officially stated. I would suppose they simply are what users make of them.
@lt Perhaps you want to give some input on this, admins?

This feature has been suggested a few times, and we decided to implement it cause it seemed promising.

Moderator and Scholar of a Dark Age
Beigetreten: 16.02.2011
lt wrote:
Sciera wrote:
solo wrote:

Frankly speaking, the idea and purpose of creating collections isn't quite clear for me. On one hand, collection can be "interesting experience" for its creator, then he operates it solely on his own, describes as he wants, adds or not the songs, suggested by others, and if not, they don't get dissapointed. But on the other hand, collection can be a navigation tip, used to improve differentiation of the songs by some criterions. Then it has global, omni-classifying nature, must be very accurate, and needs some sort of regulation. It appears to me that at this moment collections is more like first scenario. But I want to ask creators of this feature itself - what was your original idea? just want to understand.

Collections are a quite new feature, and their purpose has never been officially stated. I would suppose they simply are what users make of them.
@lt Perhaps you want to give some input on this, admins?

This feature has been suggested a few times, and we decided to implement it cause it seemed promising.

Thanks for clarifying.
I had assumed so.
So it's up to the users what to do with it.

lt
Administrator
Beigetreten: 27.05.2008

Adding items via URLs should be working now.

@solo Is your problem with collections search still valid? If yes, which one can't be found?

Super Member
Beigetreten: 24.08.2012
lt wrote:

@solo Is your problem with collections search still valid? If yes, which one can't be found?

no, there were a couple more glitches, but I succeeded to do what I wanted and didn't return to it since. thanks for concern!

Jack's Smirking Revenge
Beigetreten: 24.12.2011

Hi LT contributors,

I know collection is considered a personnal order to put things on.

But i noticed a collection was twice created, (exactly the same) of course, one can do it, but then, I guess if anyone should do that three times, or maybe more, hundred do that a hundred times, for each collection, this is going to be rapidly insane to look for any song, and we would precisely lose the point of having collections,
if the point is to ease users to find some types of song.
(> in the common interest point of view, on a personnal level, everybody having its own private collection, this is ok of course)

I guess one should have some kind of rules, to avoid a collections' jungle, but this also means to list collections for a common interest purpose.

Thx

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