A thousand and one year club

Von wisigoth am 30 Nov 2019 erstellt | Zuletzt von wisigoth am 11 Apr 2021 bearbeitet

these cities are old...really old.. we are talking 1001 y.o. or more! Guess what ...they still sing about these beauties

Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Fairuz

Übersetzungen:  EnglischPersisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Fairuz

Sprache des Liedes:  Serbisch

Künstler/in:  Radmila Karaklajić

Übersetzung:  Russisch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdIkG4c_2WY

Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Kazem Al-Saher

Übersetzung:  Englisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Griechisch

Künstler/in:  Nana Mouskouri

Übersetzungen:  EnglischJapanischRumänischSpanisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Amr Diab

Übersetzungen:  EnglischUngarischPolnischSpanisch

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Sprache des Liedes:  Neopolitanisch

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Übersetzungen:  EnglischItalienisch

This text implies a Silk route city of Shymkent (ancient site in modern day Kazakhstan). Archaeological excavations point to VI AD as possible start of settlement.

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Übersetzung:  Englisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Hebräisch

Künstler/in:  Naomi Shemer

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Sprache des Liedes:  Hebräisch

Künstler/in:  Gad Elbaz

Sprache des Liedes:  Ukrainisch

Künstler/in:  Ukrainian Folk

Übersetzungen:  EnglischFranzösisch

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Künstler/in:  Kate Havnevik

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Sprache des Liedes:  Italienisch

Künstler/in:  Immanuel Casto

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Sprache des Liedes:  Polnisch

Künstler/in:  Maanam

Übersetzungen:  ArabischEnglischSpanisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Englisch

Künstler/in:  BlackSea4ever

Übersetzungen:  ChinesischItalienischRussisch

Toledo (Spain) has more than 2000 years verified history.

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Künstler/in:  Ana Alcaide

Übersetzungen:  EnglischFranzösischItalienischRussisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Spanisch

Künstler/in:  Plácido Domingo

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Egypt, ancient and modern!

Sprachen:  Arabisch → Transliteration

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34. Leningrad - Багдад Übersetzung

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Barcelona!

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Künstler/in:  Keith Green

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Künstler/in:  Die Mundorgel

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Künstler/in:  Maria Candido

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Sprache des Liedes:  Portugiesisch

Künstler/in:  Mariema

Übersetzung:  Englisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Portugiesisch

Künstler/in:  Emmy Curl

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Sprache des Liedes:  Portugiesisch

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Künstler/in:  REO Brothers

Übersetzung:  Englisch

Song languages:  Englisch, Koreanisch

Künstler/in:  Holmsted

Sprache des Liedes:  Englisch

Künstler/in:  Billy Joel

Übersetzungen:  BulgarischNiederländisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Englisch

Künstler/in:  Phoebe Bridgers

Sprache des Liedes:  Portugiesisch

Künstler/in:  Amália Rodrigues

Übersetzungen:  EnglischRumänischSerbisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Italienisch

Künstler/in:  Franco Califano

Übersetzung:  Rumänisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Portugiesisch

Künstler/in:  Madredeus

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Sprache des Liedes:  Bulgarisch

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Sprache des Liedes:  Russisch

Künstler/in:  Mziuri

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Sprache des Liedes:  Griechisch

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Übersetzung:  Englisch

Sprachen:  Arabisch → Englisch

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Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Dalida

Übersetzung:  Englisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Faia Younan

Sprache des Liedes:  Englisch

Künstler/in:  Bastille

Übersetzungen:  ArabischChinesischKroatischDänisch   23 weitere

Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Radiodervish

Sprachen:  Arabisch → Englisch

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Künstler/in:  Marifé de Triana

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Künstler/in:  Estrella Morente

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Sprache des Liedes:  Deutsch

Künstler/in:  Faber

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Sprache des Liedes:  Slowakisch

Künstler/in:  Iné Kafe

Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Nancy Ajram

Übersetzungen:  EnglischPersischRumänisch

85. Djomla KS - Cekam te u Budvi Übersetzung

Sprachen:  Serbisch → Englisch

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Künstler/in:  Ognjen

Übersetzung:  Englisch

Palma

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Künstler/in:  Caterina Valente

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Sprache des Liedes:  Deutsch

Künstler/in:  Caterina Valente

Übersetzungen:  EnglischRussisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Arabisch

Künstler/in:  Asmahan

Übersetzungen:  EnglischRussisch

Sprachen:  Arabisch → Englisch

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Von Velsket am Dienstag, November 3, 2015 erstellt

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Künstler/in:  Dan W. Quinn

Übersetzung:  Bosnisch

Sprachen:  Spanisch → Englisch

Von Tigerfire310 am Mittwoch, January 22, 2014 erstellt

Sprachen:  Arabisch → Englisch

Von lebanesegirl am Montag, März 14, 2011 erstellt

Sprachen:  Arabisch → Englisch

Sprache des Liedes:  Neopolitanisch

Künstler/in:  Pietro Lignola

Übersetzungen:  KatalanischEnglischFranzösischDeutsch   6 weitere

Sprache des Liedes:  Französisch

Künstler/in:  Georges Moustaki

Übersetzungen:  EnglischHebräischItalienischPolnisch   2 weitere

Kommentare
BalkantürkBalkantürk    Do, 29/10/2020 - 17:35

Plesure, Plovdiv is one of the most beautiful cities in Bulgaria, and the second largest after Sofia. It is also the oldest inhabited city in Europe, since its origin dates back to 4,000 years BC. It is 6,000 years old, if I remember well. Macedonians, Thracians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Goths, Huns, Byzantines, Ottomans have passed through there and left their mark... If you go someday to Bulgaria I I recommend you to visit Plovdiv

wisigothwisigoth    Do, 29/10/2020 - 17:29

Simple test
✓old, ancient, there are records, data etc
✓has been known for 1001 + years
🙁still an active municipality today

wisigothwisigoth    Do, 29/10/2020 - 20:56

Смотрите, как я понял эту ситуацию. Помпеи затопило лавой еще до р.х. sorry my mistake 79 AD. В 1891 г н.э.основана современная коммуна (чита? поселение?) под таким же названием. Не усматриваю такого факта, что город просуществовал тысячу лет

Dr_IgorDr_Igor    Do, 29/10/2020 - 21:23

Не хочу историю изучать активно. Могу предложить такой подход: если на том месте где сейчас Pompei
между извержением и 1891 ничего не было а потом с нуля выстроили, то, видимо, соглашусь.
Если же там все время было какое-то предместье Неаполя и только в 1891 его окрестили Pompei,
то, возможно, другое дело.
Подозреваю, что несколько городов, уже в коллекции, меняли имена в течении последних 1000 лет.
Пример: имя Mexico city было дано в 14-ом веке.
Не настаиваю ( никогда)
Не надо было нам на русский переходить, глядишь, какой нибудь итальянец
знающий прояснил бы ситуацию...

wisigothwisigoth    Do, 29/10/2020 - 21:37

Если применить логику, город залила лава. Поселяться там вряд ли кто хотел сам. Может, виноградники и были.. Впоследствии и до 19 в регионе всегда хватало места для жизни, и не было нужды на том же месте строить.
В моём понимании, расположение Мексико сити было настолько выигрышным, доминирующим, защищённым и уникальным(и сакральным), что там всегда какое-то племя сооружало себе поселение, это был вопрос престижа и даже выживания в конкуренции племен

Dr_IgorDr_Igor    Do, 29/10/2020 - 22:12

А как же логику не применять. Это обязательно. Пару лет назад был я там - и в Pompei и в Pompeii (то что осталось).
Они не на одном и том же месте, но близко, и от Неаполя близко. Может все эти расстояния меньше чем какие-то
расстояния внутри Mexico city. Был там тоже. Это очень большой город. И то что на том самом месте, где сейчас дом музей
Фриды Кало или Троцкого было индейское поселение не очевидно. Может оно было дальше чем от Pompeii do Неаполя...
Еще раз, я не настаиваю. Просто логику захотелось поприменять...

wisigothwisigoth    Do, 29/10/2020 - 22:19

"место проклятое" Помпеи(((боги сожгли за что-то (за грехи?)
"место силы" Мексика ))) боги требовали, чтобы именно там, на этом самом острове, люди жили и приносили жертвы, в благодарность )) как-то так

Dr_IgorDr_Igor    Do, 29/10/2020 - 22:38

То бишь в коллекцию берете только что боги одобряли. А что, тоже критерий...
И вообще против них как то не рекомендуется быть...

Alma BarrocaAlma Barroca    Do, 29/10/2020 - 19:26

One and only Mod warning: some content regarding this collection was reported to us. Please calm down and stick to the original point of discussion (songs about ancient cities) else comments will be temporarily disabled to allow users to cool down. My PMs are open if anyone wants to say something.

Eagles HunterEagles Hunter    Do, 29/10/2020 - 19:33

I personally welcome your interfering and I wouldn't mind you delete ALL comments drafted away from the main subject of the collection. Regular smile

Dr_IgorDr_Igor    Do, 29/10/2020 - 19:45

I don't think the Mods can selectively delete comments. It's all or nothing. So I am asking those who is not currently suggesting new cities, just shut up, at least temporarily, so the collection owner does not lose suggestions...

Alma BarrocaAlma Barroca    Do, 29/10/2020 - 19:56

After discussion regarding a specific recent case, Admins allowed us to unpublish comments that violate the rules. However, we are discussing about being tougher regarding off-topic comments.

Alma BarrocaAlma Barroca    Do, 29/10/2020 - 20:37

I agree. FYI I myself suggested including a 'keep politics away wherever it is not needed' extension to the guideline Admins are discussing about implementing.

Dr_IgorDr_Igor    Do, 29/10/2020 - 21:31

Just be careful with what you qualify as off-topic. When people discuss politics, sometimes it is on-topic because it is tied to history, including the history of languages. And also if a mod makes changes in the text of the comments we would like to know who that mod is so we can
assess if he/she is qualified to judge, i.e native in the language, etc.

Alma BarrocaAlma Barroca    Do, 29/10/2020 - 23:40

If it is unrelated to the content of translation/collection/lyrics, it's off-topic.

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And also a mod makes changes in the text of the comments we would like to know who that mod is so we can
assess if he/she is qualified to judge, i.e native in the language, etc.

Even if we do not speak the language in question, most times users who do speak them come ask for corrections, so we can come and edit content anyway. If we were to restrict edits only to Mods who speak a given language, the Japanese section of the website would be a wasteland, as we don't have any Japanese speaker in the staff, not even an Editor (EDIT: We do have one, however it's not a native). And users who add whichever page was corrected are always notified about updates, you don't have to worry about that.

Dr_IgorDr_Igor    Fr, 30/10/2020 - 00:17

Come on. I challenge you to define "unrelated". There's a range of opinions on that. Don't assume that yours is always correct.

And regardless who you choose to change the comments - native or not native, do you have a problem with making it public who that
person was? We'll take it from there. Notify everybody, not just the originator of the page.

Alma BarrocaAlma Barroca    Fr, 30/10/2020 - 00:25

Unrelated: not related to anything regarding content of translation, lyrics, etc.

Example: User leaves a comment 'No surprise this singer was arrested'. What does this have to do with anything? Same here, it all started with a language discussion then escalated to racism, religion, etc. So, off-topic.

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Do you have a problem with making it public who that person was? We'll take it from there. Notify everybody, not just the originator of the page

But everyone is already notified, the comments left are always public, so whoever wants to see who did what just needs to go to 'Recent comments'. Oh, and BTW, we stopped making who last edited a page public after a Mod had their account hacked and at least 1000 pages were unpublished (all fortunately restored). Before anyone knew what happened we had at least 3 threads by different users pointing fingers and demanding (yes, that was the word) an explanation. Then when the truth was shown, did anyone come and say 'Oh, sorry for that, hope all is fine'? No. It was only us Mods who did it. There's so much going on behind the scenes but some users seem to think that we have a WhatsApp group where we discuss evil deeds we'll take.

And now I'd like to ask you: Why would someone that has nothing to do with a specific page like/want to know which action was done by whom? Are we in Big Brother or some kind of reality show where people vote for us to be expelled in case they disagree with us? That doesn't work here, if people want something like that they're my guests to look for it elsewhere.

I just would like to understand what has happened with LT recently. Just today I had to take care of 3 different situations with users. I'll ask Admins to give me a badge, I think I deserve one.

Dr_IgorDr_Igor    Fr, 30/10/2020 - 00:49

I don't want to beat the dead horse here. In the end we'll have to trust your(Mods) better judgement, That's why I'd like to know who that mod
was. Every once in a while there will be a mod whose judgement should not be trusted and we'll help you guys to get that person out of your
ranks. We are not angels, you ( guys) are not angels, let's not pretend that it is completely unimaginable.
When I said "everybody", I meant everybody, who visits the page where "censorship" has taken place. When I read a thread of comments
I'd like to know that some comments are missing and then I'd like to know whose comments are missing and who took them out...
And I fully appreciate the difficulty of your position.

And in your example "singer was arrested" I can give a bunch of potential situations where that could be very relevant to at least the understanding of the lyrics. I'd prefer if you guys stick to racism/anti-semitism and things like that...

Alma BarrocaAlma Barroca    Fr, 30/10/2020 - 13:13

It's not up for general users to debate on whether a staff member should or should not retain their position (and it's not them who decide who should be promoted as well) - and honestly, based on what judgment would a user say a Mod is suitable or not for a position? 'Oh, this Mod has disabled comments here, so I think he's doing something he shouldn't so he is to be expelled?' - not how it works. You can always speak your mind and say someone did something you disagree with, but as we've said elsewhere, we keep tracks and logs of just about everything we do, so you must have a very strong case in that case. I've rebuked several accusations users threw against me just by showing them my own Edits log. One has even accused me of acting in vendetta after they corrected one of my translations. After I showed them consistent evidence of why their translations had been unpublished, did this user ever say I'm sorry? No.

I left the team for a while at my own will in 2014, ever since I'm here still. Never seen a single Mod being demoted.. So that shows that we're doing a good job as a whole team. Thanks, but we don't need your help or judgment. If someone was promoted to Mod, we decided based on their interactions and contributions - if we have the slightest hint that a potential candidate will cause problems, we write them off. And even if we do disagree with our fellows' actions, we do discuss it very reasonably and showing arguments. Of course we're not friends, but we're workplace colleagues (at least, that's how I treat and respect my fellows).

I'd also like to show a few of our own set of rules (Yes, we have them as well, just so people know that we're not acting as we wish):

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1. Both Editors and Moderators should obey the rules invented for an ordinary user.
2. Both Editors and Moderators should be polite with users, avoid rudeness. Everyone has to maintain good and peaceful communication with the other members of the community and not to provoke other users unnecessarily; if a problem between different users arises, then either a Mod or the admins should be notified about it so it can get resolved.
3. Any admonishments Editors and Moderators make should be based on existing rules, or, at least, on common sense basis.
4. Any controversial actions they make should be based on existing rules or on previously discussed with fellow editors/moderators and administrators.

So basically it shows that everyone who has ever been promoted (even to Editor) has proven to been trustworthy and reliable enough, follow every rule (no exceptions) and know how to deal with issues and people.

And here you go, this is an off-topic comment and discussion Tongue smile

IgeethecatIgeethecat    Fr, 30/10/2020 - 02:10

You deserve a medal Regular smile 🏅🎖 or two 🥰
I love you!
Oops, it was off the topic 🤭

IgeethecatIgeethecat    Di, 02/02/2021 - 02:00

I remember Alexander Laskavtsev (cannot find him and most likely misspelled his name) was able to delete just one comment

BalkantürkBalkantürk    Fr, 30/10/2020 - 11:08

I'm glad that you like it Regular smile It's one of my favorites Greek song; Athens is beautiful. Cádiz.... What can I say about this beautiful city? Is a lovely city. In fact, all Andalusia (also all Spain) is: their songs, their culture. Really lovely places to visit. Tiblisi, Georgia and all the Caucassus I've been (Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan) are the most beautiful countries. The mountains, the cities, the villages, the languages and cultures, the food (I drool everytime I think about khachapuri), just everything. I hope I can return again to this country sometime in the future along with its neighbours, Armenia and Azerbaijan, and hope one day I could visit the other Caucasus republics in Russia

wisigothwisigoth    So, 31/01/2021 - 04:00

Seven texts added today, we're at ninety-nine, thank you!

wisigothwisigoth    Mo, 01/02/2021 - 16:14
Eagles Hunter schreef

Well, I believe that 31 and 98 are repeated. You can remove them and add this
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/ya-baladna-ya-helwa-o-our-lovely-homeland...
There are two empty spaces left

1.Yes, got it, doubles deleted
2. Your latest proposed entry does not pass the criteria because it's a beautiful song about Egypt as a country complete with an enumeration of multiple locations, but not a city-specific entry

Eagles HunterEagles Hunter    Mo, 01/02/2021 - 21:22

Some cities are mentioned that are more than 1000 years old like Alexandria, Matrouh and Cairo

wisigothwisigoth    So, 07/02/2021 - 07:24

Thank you! One text added. Sinai is a peninsula, and a region in Egypt, as you wrote, not a city

IsraelWuIsraelWu    So, 07/02/2021 - 08:22

Believe me, I have nothing against Mexico City (pos.65), just was surprised it is so old. According to Wikipedia, even as Aztec Tenochtitlan it was established only in 1325. Is Wiki wrong or does it have to wait another 304 years to be accepted, or did it exist before under another name, do you know?

wisigothwisigoth    Mo, 01/02/2021 - 17:29

Thanks, great question! Please read the same source for Teotihuacán. The archæological data available today was not in the minds of mexicans who marked the 600 anniversary in 1925. Clearly, people who lived there in the period culminating in VII AD, had nothing to do with the Azteka nation, and this fact may have contributed to former attempts to cancel their history from official narrative. Based on availability of info today I made my decision to put Mexico city on this list

IsraelWuIsraelWu    Mo, 01/02/2021 - 23:06

Well, really impressive in size and gives it another 700 years or more, but still it says it was about 40 km from today's Mexico City. Do you think it's center to center or perhaps the city limits of the two cities as we know them do/did overlap in any way? The question is serious, the cities, naturally, do grow and even move sometimes (along the river, around a bay, a little bit inshore). BTW, if you accept, seems to me this it should help the case with Constantinople and Istanbul

wisigothwisigoth    Di, 02/02/2021 - 01:36
IsraelWu schreef

Well, really impressive in size and gives it another 700 years or more, but still it says it was about 40 km from today's Mexico City. Do you think it's center to center or perhaps the city limits of the two cities as we know them do/did overlap in any way? The question is serious, the cities, naturally, do grow and even move sometimes (along the river, around a bay, a little bit inshore). BTW, if you accept, seems to me this it should help the case with Constantinople and Istanbul

I concur. Both Istanbul and Constantinople found their places on this list.
Back to Mesoamerica. The real significance of Mexico city site was the following. It was a holy site - gods wanted people to live there and to perform religious worship ceremonies there by making sacrifice on their pyramids. This was firm believe of every tribe living there since before any records were established. Moving the actual site from the bank of the lake to man-made island in the middle of the lake in no way changes the idea. It's the same ***holy location*** where people lived longer than anyone could calculate. They somehow knew and trusted that the nation that controlled this site would always be in charge of the country. Perhaps, even the Spanish quickly caught up on this and decided they should have it as their ***central*** city, to gain obedience of all tribes

IsraelWuIsraelWu    Di, 02/02/2021 - 22:01

I knew about your "problem" with Istanbul from your comments. About a lake's shore and an island - it both explains the movement and allows for the 40 km. I didn't know the story but knew that the movements of settlements are mainly connected to waterways. Good work and I've learned something.
Thanks

wisigothwisigoth    Di, 02/02/2021 - 22:14
IsraelWu schreef

I knew about your "problem" with Istanbul from your comments. About a lake's shore and an island - it both explains the movement and allows for the 40 km. I didn't know the story but knew that the movements of settlements are mainly connected to waterways. Good work and I've learned something.
Thanks

It's a good point! Your way of asking questions led me to becoming less sure about that Istanbul affair. Clearly, the toponym is much younger than the city. 👍

PinchusPinchus    Di, 02/02/2021 - 01:49

"Звезду по имени Солнце" исполняет Натали? Серьезно?
А как насчет российских городов, например? Их не так мало, тысячелетних. Что-то не вижу ни одного.

wisigothwisigoth    Di, 02/02/2021 - 02:50

Со звездой, так вот вышло. Есть мать в списке. Которая всем городам мать

wisigothwisigoth    Di, 02/02/2021 - 03:01

Владимир есть. И это хорошо! (?)

starry eyedstarry eyed    So, 07/02/2021 - 15:55

Some ancient Indian cities in India are - Ayodhya, Mathura, Ujjain, Haridwar, Kaashi (Banaras/Varanasi), Prayag (Prayagraj), Patliputra (Patna), Indraprastha (Delhi)

Some ancient Indian cities in Indian sub-continent are - Bamiyan (Afghanistan), Purushpur (Peshawar, Pakistan), Lavpur or Lavapuri (Lahore, Pakistan), Lumbini (Nepal)

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