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For some reason, this question had recently popped in my mind and i could like to know if they're allowed or not
Are AI songs allowed?
Good question. I would advocate to not include them on LT as we are a human site but not sure if we have an official rule as of yet as concerning AI created songs. If i'm wrong i suspect another mod and/or the admins will chime in soon.
Do we have an official rule? [@LT]
In the meantime [@Bloomidoly] please do not add an songs that you know were created with AI until we have some clarity.
Thank you,
~Moshe
I can only think of 2 exceptions to that but that's all I can think of.
Update: sorry one exception not 2.
But it's still a very good question.
I can't see why they should not be included if they are clearly labeled as so, e.g. by putting 'AI-generated' as the artist. Translations on the LT are made by humans; however, songs are almost exclusively not made by LT users. LT even allows explicit songs.
The one that I had in mind was in fact made by humans and also by the original artist himself who isn't able to sing as well anymore but is still trying to fight it. He admitted to using Ai and showed how the song was created and I thought it actually sounded really good but there are too many examples out there that are deep fakes.
The song I'm thinking of wasn't made or created by any user here on LT
I'm only worried about copyright problems/issues and geo restrictions when it comes to songs created by AI though but I also understand why that happens though too.
... however, songs are almost exclusively not made by LT users.
Good point!
I have scenes of the book 1984 running in my head as the masses sing along to AI songs and tunes. Maybe we can't stop it but should we support it?!?
Just my opinion but I'd say that the lyrics at least should be human generated.
George Orwell was a visionary; it is sad to see that the pop show 'Big Brother' glorifies the ultra-villain of that book.
I wholeheartedly agree that technology can be used to hurt people, but it can be useful too. A kitchen knife can be used both to prepare food and to harm people. It is not a villain per se. It suffices that people have a choice in using it.
I think the accepted consensus is currently giving people that choice, like the rating warning at the beginning of movies. People have the choice to not view it if it is explicitly labeled as 'AI-generated'.
The one that I had in mind was in fact made by humans and also by the original artist himself who isn't able to sing as well anymore but is still trying to fight it. He admitted to using Ai and showed how the song was created
Randy Travis? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Travis
He had a stroke and can't speak or sing well, so he had someone recreate his voice using an AI program. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preview-exclusive-look-inside-the-making-of...
All the songs of that type that I am familiar with have lyrics by a human poet and music/rendition by AI. As LT is a lyrics-oriented site, I fail to see why such songs won't be allowed. Even if the lyrics of an original song are AI created and make sense it should be allowed as long as no member claims the authorship ( ditto for translations IMHO)
Maybe AI songs need to demonstrate some level of notability, such as it's youtube video having a significant amount of views, or a video of someone covering the song (such as twitch streamer SethDrums does) being popular on youtube?
If the song was officially released by an artist and we have prove of it it's allowed. Other content is not.
If the song was officially released by an artist and we have prove of it it's allowed. Other content is not.
People are currently allowed to submit their own lyrics/poetry on LT (see Faq 2.9 "Own Poetry"), without benefit of an official release (and even that is not so difficult nowadays--the days of the big record companies and publishers as "gatekeepers" is over).
So how do we determine that people are actually writing their own work, rather than telling ChatGPT, et. al. to "Write a poem about..." ?
I'm sure we don't want LT filled up with someone's AI poems....
I think it doesn't matter who is using AI to create a poem, audio, or video. LT already has an 'unknown artist' label and allows songs from obscure origins. The key point is that viewers are not cheated and have a freedom of choice. This can be achieved by ensuring that poems, songs, and videos generated with AI are clearly labeled as such. To eliminate the chance of accidental viewing, we can have a splash screen, similar to the one for explicit songs on LT, which asks for the viewer's consent to show the page.
UPDATE: [@Don Juan]'s comment seems more applicable to deep fake videos or songs impersonating an artist. This is cheating and already covered by LT and ethical rules. [@cph1776] already brought up a good point in that regard. I am talking about *original* AI-assisted poems, audio, and video clearly recognized by the owner as such which is a totally different story.
If the song was officially released by an artist and we have prove of it it's allowed. Other content is not.
I agree with Juan, if an artist released a song that was actually written by AI, it can be added. But if someone random goes and asks AI to produce lyrics and then add it on LT, it does not make any sense. LT is not a lyrics database; we do not need some made-up lyrics by AI.
if an artist released a song that was actually written by AI, it can be added. But if someone random goes and asks AI to produce lyrics and then add it on LT, it does not make any sense.
In LT anyone 'random' can go and write a poem or song and be the 'artist'. [@LT] does not diffrentiate between its users, or people in general, and professional singers or poets.The point is labeling AI-generated poems, songs, and videos as such and give viewers the freedom of choice.
Correct. As we can't determine if someone asks AI to write a poem for them, we fall solely on users's good character.
I was actually referring to AI mash-ups and songs done by altering one's voice to look like they performed a song or a lyrics.
She meant someone making an AI song and add it as a normal song to an artist page - which happens with fanmade mash-ups. Some of these have been reported already for us.
Thank you for the input. Reading intentions is not my forte. However, nothing about another name or account in that comment. It would also be stating the obvious, as surreptitious impersonation is already a big no ethically and by LT. Anyway, let's not dwell on this. Most other comments here seem to be about *original* songs and poems published under the creator's own name.
Good art often comes from lived experience, and writing can be healing. Someone, not me, might have a profound experience and, a bit short of the necessary skills, 'works with' AI in a creative process through prompting to turn their emotions into a presentable piece. Should it be published under their name and labeled 'AI-assisted'? AI is currently stigmatized in LT and some other creative circles. The right thing to do is declare it 'AI-assisted,' but others might think less of them. What can LT do about this?
OK, so we're looking at several different situations:
1. Somebody creates lyrics with AI, releases the song ("releasing" could be something as simple as uploading it to YouTube or Spotify, etc.) then places the lyrics on LT. To me that would be ok.
2. Somebody creates lyrics with AI, then uploads them to LT without releasing them elsewhere first. I'm not so sure about that, though a warning "These lyrics created by AI" might be appropriate.
3. Somebody translates existing lyrics with AI. Not allowed under current rules regarding automatic translation, and some of the AI programs are starting to refuse input that is mostly copyrighted material anyway (Claude.ai is particularly picky about that).
4. An existing singer uses AI to create new songs, such as the Randy Travis example upthread, and I think there is an old Beatles song that was similarly recreated. OK, this is simply an extension of an existing singer's/group's output.
5. Somebody uses AI to create a song that otherwise wouldn't exist, such as Elvis doing a cover of some Taylor Swift song. This wouldn't have a place on LT, since the song already exists and adding it as a cover would be dishonest.
Any other thoughts?
1. We have reached a point where computer outputs are indistinguishable from human outputs. If that is the case, why don't we just pass off AI as a person's creation? It's a moot point.
2. Assuming someone still wants to post a song as an AI song, well they don't hold the copyright to do so. This is because there is no significant creative contribution to the creation of the work. See the case of the monkey selfie for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute
3. Therefore, the uploader cannot be granted the usual 10 points conferred for an original work.
4. How about the 1 point for a song? Well, it's allowed, then everyone could just upload 10000 songs overnight and get that Guru title, rendering titles meaningless (not that they have much to begin with). So, that's a double-moot point.
5. How about we don't care about points and credits and treat AI songs as public domain IP? Then sooner or later, provided the works have artistic merit and could garner viewers, it would be admitted—passed off under the guise of an unknown author if needed.
I think AI songs boil down to two categories: original and impersonation. Original AI songs raise the question: "Does asking a chatbot for a love song and posting it on LT as my own work count?" Impersonations can be consented or non-consented. Non-consented impersonations have no place in LT or any decent platform. Consented impersonations are closer to original AI songs.
Politicians and celebrities use ghostwriters for memoirs, involving intimate interviews and extensive edits. No one claims Obama's "Dreams from My Father" belongs to his ghostwriter. Similarly, editors significantly shape books but go unnoticed.
Copy-pasting bland AI-generated lyrics is a rookie mistake. True art stems from lived experiences. However, using AI as a ghostwriter or editor to transform profound personal experiences into valuable pieces can extend their reach. It's a noble cause, and transparency is key. Labeling the post as 'AI-assisted' (not 'AI-generated') and dealing with AI stigma in LT paves the way to that and gives viewers the freedom of choice.
Update: Such label should be warranted only if AI's contribution is significant. Asking AI to check spelling or grammar errors or to rhyme two lines doesn't count.
I admit, I'm not that good at distinguishing which songs are written using an AI program and which aren't. But I found a YouTube site with a few songs that I think are good. They managed to move me, both through the melody and the lyrics. So they seem to be written by a human who has some feelings, not by a machine. What makes me have doubts is the fact that no artist's name appears. And I would like to hear other opinions to clarify this matter for me, if possible
Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCgp7AjVf8rXxk9iRCEOu6jWszeom4EZB
Osiris,
you are 100% right those are AI-created songs - the disclosures are at the end of the expanded description of every song. And I agree with you; they are pretty good, often better than many human creations. This is the brave new world we live in https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/suno-after-being-sued-by-the-majo...
Oh, my bad, I didn't read the disclosure. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. It's a pity, I really liked the songs, especially
"La balada de ti".
Do we have an official rule?
Songs are allowed for publication in two cases:
1) As Don Juan rightly noted above, if the song was officially released by an artist and we have proof of it
2) You can also publish your own poetry, under your own name or a pseudonym.
So, two cases as possible examples, perhaps:
The works here:
https://www.youtube.com/@CantusImperium
I posted 7 from the site on LT, creating an artist, here:
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/cantus-imperium-lyrics
though only 1 still has an available video.
Thanks for the clarification.
That means AI created songs are subject to be unpublished on LT
Who would unpublish them?
Can we turn to any moderator to unpublish them?
Are they instructed?
