What controls the "Popular Now" section?

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<a href="/en/translator/ssleon64" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1382962">ssleon64</a>
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I've often thought the "Popular Now" section was a little bit buggy, because it sometimes comes up with seemingly random and obscure songs and then they stay on there for long periods of time. I figured that being on the Popular Now list was kind of self-perpetuating, and that what seems obscure to me is just because of my limited perspective.

But one of my translations is on there right now, a translation to Spanish of Shakira's version of Imagine. And I can see for myself that it's not actually very popular right now. It has 10 views and 2 thank-you's, so that seems odd. And I can see it's not driving huge numbers of views to my translation, unless there's a delay I'm not aware of. On the other hand, a few weeks back, my English translation of Danna Paola's TQ Y YA got nearly 2,000 views and probably 10 thank-yous in its first couple of hours and never appeared on the Popular Now section. I was surprised, but I thought maybe 2,000 views was small potatoes for this site, though it was by far the biggest number of single-day views I'd ever seen.

So how does the algorithm work that decides what's popular? And what can be done so that it better reflects actual popularity?

It seems like it should be fairly straightforward if it's controlled by a database. Sort ascending by number of views per day for that day, or perhaps per hour, and limit to the top 5. But maybe we wouldn't want to go purely by numbers, because English, Spanish, and French might be too dominant. Still, I should think that 10 views isn't enough to cross the threshold into "popular."

I know that algorithms require a lot of time, and I don't really understand them, so I'm not necessarily making any suggestions. I'm just wondering if anyone knows more about how it works.

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<a href="/en/translator/aldefina" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1152070">Aldefina</a>
Joined: 16.01.2013

I never thought about it and I have never noticed what you described, so only the admins can answer your questions, but one thing irritates me. I don't understand why on the same list there are not only translations, but also songs itself.

[@Lt]: I think we should have not a list of "Most Viewed Content", but "Most Viewed Translations". We can of course add a separate "Most Viewed Songs (Lyrics)" list. It would be also nice to show the number of views.

lt
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<a href="/en/translator/lt" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1">lt</a>
Joined: 27.05.2008

The ranking algorithms on LT are quite different, the main idea is to bring fresh popular content to the top.

Some places use sum of views by trailing seven days, some by trailing 365 days
Some places use formulas which gives more importance to recent views than to old views.
This is done to prevent permanent top positions of the hyper popular songs of the past (think Despasito, Ai Se Eu Te Pego etc)

For instance,

"Trending Now" block on the front page shows songs, translations, or requests that were created in the last 30 days
sorted by total views.

Artist's page, songs sorted by popularity
sorted by trailing year views count

Translation's search, sorted by popularity
week views + week views of the song of this translation

Song's search, sorted by popularity
(total views divided by 2) plus (year views multiplied by 2) plus (week views multiplied by 8 )

Language's page, songs https://lyricstranslate.com/en/language/arabic-lyrics
total views for all time

"%France%: Top 10" block
sorted by trailing year views count

"%Rammstein%: Top 3" block
sorted by trailing year views count

We will be grateful for criticism and suggestions for improvement

lt
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<a href="/en/translator/lt" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1">lt</a>
Joined: 27.05.2008
Aldefina wrote:

I think we should have not a list of "Most Viewed Content", but "Most Viewed Translations". We can of course add a separate "Most Viewed Songs (Lyrics)" list. It would be also nice to show the number of views.

We will add a "content type" parameter to the form to search by songs/translations/requests separately.

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<a href="/en/translator/flopsi" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1331196">Flopsi</a>
Joined: 12.03.2017

The "Popular Now" section seems to work with the time period year and month but sure not with week. Every time I click on "German - translations - year/month/week" it shows me 4 of my translations being in the Top 10 of the year and my translation "Wellerman" on No.1 of the month.
Within 18 days I've got already over 16.000 views of "Wellerman" and it never showed up on the Popular Contant of the week. And "Billie Jean" got 18 views and is ranking right now at No. 18 of the week.

That's not the only strange thing. I also realized that the views don't seem to match or maybe only update later than thanks. I've spotted twice 2 thanks and only 1 view.

It just makes me wonder and I think we should make users aware that some things are not working in a way everybody expects them to do.

lt
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<a href="/en/translator/lt" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1">lt</a>
Joined: 27.05.2008
Flopsi wrote:

That's not the only strange thing. I also realized that the views don't seem to match or maybe only update later than thanks. I've spotted twice 2 thanks and only 1 view.

That's correct, views are not being updated in real-time mode (while thanks are).

We'll take a look at this weekly/monthly popularity.

lt
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<a href="/en/translator/lt" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1">lt</a>
Joined: 27.05.2008

[@Flopsi] Only translations created within the last 7 days can appear in the "Weekly" section, that's why your translation is not there while it's in the "Monthly" top.

Editor Soldier of Love
<a href="/en/translator/flopsi" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1331196">Flopsi</a>
Joined: 12.03.2017

Thank you. Good to know!

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<a href="/en/translator/ahmad-aziz" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1320850">ahmad aziz</a>
Joined: 27.12.2016

Another thing that kinda relates to this thread is about "Popular Content". This feature show us popular translations in a specific language, i.g. when you choose English, it shows popular English translation without considering from which language, so you can't see for example popular "German to English" or "Persian to English" or... .
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/topnodes