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O.S. - Так же, как вчера (Tak zhe, kak vchera)

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Так же, как вчера

Так же, как вчера, холодным закатом
Солнце упадет на мой серый город,
Так же, как всегда – никто не заметит,
Кутая в пальто души своей холод.
 
Улиц лабиринт возьмет в свои сети,
Нас накроет ночь, но звезд здесь не видно.
Жаль, что звезды ищут лишь только дети.
Знаешь, мне за звезды чуть-чуть обидно.
 
А на рассвете вновь мы выйдем из дома:
Ни света, ни тепла – лишь серые лица.
Я тоже в их числе, почти незнакома,
В порыве навсегда в толпе раствориться.
 
Не помня ничего кроме цифр и кодов
Мы проживаем жизнь на грани забвенья,
Ты снова не заметишь, как придет осень,
И мимо пролетают дни, как мгновенья.
 
Перекрестья рук – получатся птицы,
Тени по стене, как будто живые,
Книги - в переплете старом страницы -
Помнишь? Мы когда-то такие любили…
 
Thanks!
thanked 15 times
Submitted by LizzzardLizzzard on Tue, 18/02/2020 - 19:33
Last edited by LizzzardLizzzard on Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:42
Submitter's comments:

Пусть уж будет. не помню когда, потому что время летит и даты затираются в буднях...

 

Translations of "Так же, как вчера ..."
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LizzzardLizzzard    Tue, 18/02/2020 - 20:47

Oh, thank you, dear D! ♥
i'm so glad!)

Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Tue, 18/02/2020 - 22:08

Thank you, Liz, I am very happy that you have published a new poem. I need some time to read it carefully, but I am convinced, I will enjoy every line! 😍

LizzzardLizzzard    Tue, 18/02/2020 - 22:43

So little time because of work that I decided to at least show some kind of activity XD
I hope you will like it!) ♥

kyucatkyucat    Tue, 18/02/2020 - 22:44

If only we could leave 5 star ratings on poetry))

LizzzardLizzzard    Tue, 18/02/2020 - 22:46

Oh you're too kind to me))
But I'm very flattered! ♥

Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Wed, 19/02/2020 - 11:42

Your are sooo right!!! Why we cant do that, [@lt]?

LizzzardLizzzard    Wed, 19/02/2020 - 12:18

Actually, it’s good that poems and songs are not rated here. ) I like that LT is closer to a kind community of people united by a hobby, than to a professional arena.
The real value here are people ♥

SchnurrbratSchnurrbrat    Sat, 22/02/2020 - 17:39

Спасибо, Liz. Мило и красиво. Не хватает ( @Almitra ) для завершения картины.

LizzzardLizzzard    Sat, 22/02/2020 - 20:53

Спасибо огромное!) Мне очень лестно Embarrassed smile
Думаю нашего товарища временно утащил жестокий быт, но мы дождемся))

IremiaIremia    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:10

@Almitra картину завершил!

IremiaIremia    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 15:15

Замечательно!!!

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 15:32

Спасибо огроменное!)

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 15:34

I like your poems (although this one doesn't seem to follow very strict rules), but I must say I had a problem with : "но звезд здесь не видно."
I'm afraid I'm just unable to pronounce "звезд здесь", although I tried : здзд is too much for me! Confused smile
 

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 15:45

Oh. sorry for this crime! Т_Т
In fact, this isn't good for the Russian language too. The whole stanza is overloaded with "zdzd". The verse was written as a song, so a melody corrects this problem a little. But you feel everything right, I shouldn't be praised for the usurpation of these letters)
Thank you very much for your kind response! ♥♥♥

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 15:51

You're welcome. We French have sometimes problems with Russian sequences of consonants, like in "мгновение" for instance, but I guess here Russians would simply pronounce "звёздесь", or something like that...
 

IremiaIremia    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:20

Do you have a problem with pronunciation of the word «хлеб»? I am asking because almost none of my English-speaking friends can say it, tripping on “khl” sequence.

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:27

I don't, but I'm sure that many French people would have. Already the single letter "х" might me quite a problem for them...

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:41

I watch one interesting blogger from France. She talks a lot about Russian and French, and from her I learned that the French language have a special name for the "non-French R"

Rouler les "R"

It would seem an obvious fact, but it struck me. I always thought it was we - Russians -who, when learning French, would fight the French letter R. but it turns out our R is also unusual for native French speakers))

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:02

Usually, it's rather easy to recognize a Russian when he speaks French, because of the 'r's. But even in France, there are several different ways to pronounce it, in Burgundy or in Brittany for instance they sometimes still "roll" it (the Parisians don't).
Here is a typical example of "Russian pronunciation" of French, by a Russian speaking a good French: (from 0:53)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsS1y_h__kw

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:07

> in Burgundy or in Brittany for instance they sometimes still "roll" it (the Parisians don't).
Wow. it is incredibly interesting, I didn’t think that there are such differences in the French language depending on the territory)
Thank! now i know more)

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:42

When listening to French TV, I noticed that there seems to be an increasing tendency to pronounce the initial "r"s nearly like the Spanish jota or the Russian "х". I know that in Portuguese it's one of the 2 possible ways to pronounce the initial 'r's also (the other way consisting of rolling it).

sandringsandring    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:44

Did you notice that, too? I thought I was imagining things Wink smile

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:55

France has a few very marked regional accents, influenced by neighbouring countries. Germany, Spain and Italy. Plus traces of the ancient Southern variant of French in the lower half of the country. Not to mention variations in other regions like Canada or Africa.

This is about a guy who had a concussion that gives him random changes of accents.
start: Canadian French
2:00: African
2:30: Northern France
2:50: near German border
5:00: standard French

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:13

> 2:30: Northern France
Is Northern French a special object for jokes? it feels like it's a national meme.))

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:22

There was a famous movie about 10 years ago that made the Northerners popular.
Southern accent is also the target of many jokes.
African accent is made fun of, but that's very poor taste, if not downright insulting, considering our colonial past.

But the worst is Belgium. We have "Belgian jokes", a bit like "Irish jokes" in the UK. I guess this happens in many countries. Our national idiots just happen to be the Belgians. And there is a very distinctive Belgian accent.

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:32

Amazing variety) Thank you for such interesting nuances!)

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:26

They don't say "Coca-Cola", but "Coco-Colo" (it's a little bit exaggerated, though) :

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:42

that is very funny XD

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:42

This one always made me piss in my pants, especially when he imitates the African accent... let's hasten to watch him while it is still not completely forbidden... (there are more videos of him still available) :

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:09

I can't understand these guys. I get about half of what they say. It's still funny though.

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:35

Oh yes, I know this one. It's a classic Regular smile
Funny how Russians picture Brit accent. I spent 9 months 50 km South of London and never heard anybody talk like that.

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:42

I think it was an exaggeration, because the audience is Russian. And the joke should be clear even to those who don't know any English)
"American" also speaks as if he is an announcer in the boxing ring)

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:45

Yes, but I saw people speaking Brit English in a few Russian series, and they tended to go way over the top.
Speaking like a villain in Star Wars or something: "You rebel scum!" Teeth smile

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:51

I don’t know if you saw this - a parody of Russian immigrants who pretend to know English.
Sorry for so many links. I just love jokes about the accents and complexity of the language. Probably need to create a topic where people could share it XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au74IPbZhEc

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:58

"a me? beautifulno!" Teeth smile
Sure, go ahead and create the topic. That should be fun.

IremiaIremia    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:03

It is funny, but a great exaggeration! Everybody mixes English words and phrases all the time, but not to this extent lol! Most often you can hear something like: «возьмёшь вот этот хайвей и выйдешь там-то. Через три мили экзит на шапинг парковку ту вэ райт» или «ты хоумворк сделала?, А дишес?», «пойди, достань бельё из драера».

JadisJadis    Fri, 03/07/2020 - 07:00

Гоудуюдоешь ? Regular smile
 

BratBrat    Fri, 03/07/2020 - 07:33

How do you do?
All right!

Как ты это делаешь?
Всегда правой!

Комансаваюшки, Филя?
Сава бьян? Снова пьян?

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:12

Scottish looks interesting too... :D  Now a last one from my native area (the guy is a real Alsatian, although he doesn't look very much like it). Il may be a little difficut to understand, because he mixes French with Alsatian, which is a German dialect :

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:30

Oh, now we will imagine that you are speaking in this way! XD

IremiaIremia    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:25

Hahahahaha!!! Brilliant!!!! Eleven!!! Eallevan!!!

BratBrat    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:07

Russian has many an accent too:

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Fri, 03/07/2020 - 07:46

Что-то вспомнилось. У нас в любительском спектакле кузнеца Вакулу играл армянин.
Но по-русски говорил чисто, совершенно без акцента.

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:43

French is a very stable language. Accents will not prevent people understanding each other, unless they don't want to be understood Regular smile

FloppylouFloppylou    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:32

Well, I have to say, as a Nothern-permanent-resident, that's exactly how my old people speak (mixed with ch'ti/picard, though) !
Excuse me for a moment, my "frites" from... the baraque are getting cold Regular smile

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:39

We will gather here all the shades of French))
that's great))

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:21

Ha ha. The "German border" accent sounds dubious, but there is a little bit of Northern accent (ch'ti) in it too.

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:24

Too bad. I love it when he says "OK, montez, mais né crrroyez pas à vos prrroprrres monsonges" (OK, lie as much as you want, but don't believe your own lies"). Regular smile
 

BlackSea4everBlackSea4ever    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:26

I say this many times a day, sometimes mat-accompanied, in response to the evil one whose name shouldn’t be pronounced...

sandringsandring    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:41

Он так смешно говорит по-французски - интонация абсолютно русская, и он не говорит на французском, он переводит с русского у себя в голове. Поэтому это так странно звучит. Но вокабуляр хороший, и грамматика тоже более менее.

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:44

Он был советским дипломатом...

sandringsandring    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:45

Оно и видно. Regular smile

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:33

The sound doesn't exist in French, but it's not too hard to get with a bit of practice.
The only thing I never could pronounce right is the "ы", I even have trouble hearing the difference with "и" sometimes. But I suppose many foreigners have trouble with that sound.

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:36

And the L, don't forget the L! This is the detail that immediately betrays a Frenchman trying to impersonate a Russian.

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:51

That one too.

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:13

Что не так со звуком "л"?

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:30

Есть сильная Л и мягкая л, а во Франции мы знаем только мягкую л... как в «лягушке».

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:33

А...как а латыни. Что-то я никогда не задумывалась об этом :)//

BratBrat    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:21

Кто о чём, а французы - о лягушках. Regular smile

BlackSea4everBlackSea4ever    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:44

Haha. My son still says zoobee for зубы

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:28

Я же тебя учила, как произносить "ы"
Представь, что тебя ударили под дых.

Плохой маленький ученик!

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:02

Well I tried my best. In some cases the difference with "и" is obvious, but sometimes I really don't hear it.
I guess it's similar to the difficulties Russians have with all the French nasal sounds like "en", "on, "in".

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Fri, 03/07/2020 - 08:57

Да, насчёт назальных звуков - в точку!
Вот этот странный звук в конце слова chemin звучит как возглас отвращения.

JadisJadis    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 17:34

When I started leaning Russian, I was told that it was something between "i" and "ü". But sometimes, when you listen to Russians, you can hear it very clearly, and sometimes not.

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Fri, 03/07/2020 - 08:57

Ирина, про звук "х".

Когда русские пытаются петь на бенгали, или употреблять в речи отдельные слова типа prabhu, bhakti, то очень тяжело нам даются придыхательные согласные.
У меня никак не получается сказать не "БХ" а "б" с нежным придыханием..

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:53

А как вам слово "агентство" - пять согласных подряд!

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 16:57

я живу в городе Псков.
Помню в Турции девушку из моего же города пригласили на сцену анимации, спросили откуда и потом объявили. Аня, город Письков. (like Pussykov)
Выглядит как шутка, если б я только не сидела в зрителях и не слышала это сама))

BratBrat    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:17
Lizzzard wrote:

я живу в городе Псков.

А пишете, как москвичка.
Это у них мода не склонять топонимы. А в городе Пскове какая нынче мода?
Кстати, чтобы два раза не встревать,
Книги в переплете старом страницы
должно на самом деле быть
Книги - в переплете старом страницы -
так как, насколько я понимаю, определение "в переплете старом страницы" - это уточняющий оборот, относящийся к дополнению "книги", и по правилам русской пунктуации должен обособляться запятыми, ну или тире, что в стихах - предпочтительнее.

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:41

Не. я не склоняла город для наших иностранных коллег)
А в Пскове склоняют как нравится, за пуговицу не хватают))

>Книги - в переплете старом страницы -
да. так выглядит органичнее. спасибо!)

BratBrat    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:48

Я заметил, что многие русские начинают говорить с иностранцами на ломаном русском (твоя моя понимать) - в надежде, что так лучше дойдёт. И совершенно зря. По-моему, подобным ещё грешат немцы и, впрочем редко, американцы. Французы и британцы, а также всякие испаноговорящие товарищи особо не заморачиваются, а вот итальянцы все как один переходят со своих местечковых диалектов на литературную лингву, что очень облегчает общение.

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:52

Это не ломаный русский. это для понимания перехода Псков -> Письков.
все проще)

IremiaIremia    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 18:56

Well, not everybody can pronounce my name, Irina [Eereenah] here, so I had to become [Aireenah/Айрина]. Took some time to get used to it, but now it even seems strange when someone says it correctly lol

silencedsilenced    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:01

I had the same problem in Russia, to be honest. "p'yerrr"? Who's that?

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 19:08

Poor Pierre Richard and Gerard Depardieu. They visited Russia, and probably tired of the endless "rrr" XD

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Fri, 03/07/2020 - 08:39

Не совсем про акценты.
У меня младший сын пока не научился произносить мягкий р' , из-за чего собственное имя произносит либо Андлей, либо Андрэй.

SchnurrbratSchnurrbrat    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:00

Обороноспособность. A cute little word with seven Os. I once suggested this word to our linguist, when she was looking for examples of words with consecutive Os in syllables to demonstrate how sound contractions work in Russian. Молоко - млечный и пр.

LizzzardLizzzard    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:11

This is heavy artillery!

Green_SattvaGreen_Sattva    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 20:46

Звукосниматель.
Разгильдяйство
Два слова из четырнадцати букв в которых все буквы разные.

IremiaIremia    Thu, 02/07/2020 - 21:06

Воодушевление, здравствуйте, высококачественная, сельскохозяйственные, переводческая деятельность.

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