Vera Jahnke - Corona 03: 20. April: Zum Geburtstag


Corona 03: 20. April: Zum Geburtstag

Zu deinem Ehrentage
Steh'n wir zusammen hier.
Was schenken, ist die Frage,
Was macht bloß Freude dir?
Jahrzehnte sind vergangen,
Kaum, dass wir nachgedacht.
Dein Wohlwollen erlangen
Lag doch in unsrer Macht.
Wir sind nicht mehr alleine,
Hier ist die ganze Welt!
Ein jeder gibt das Seine,
Und hofft, dass dir's gefällt.
Die einen schenken Dummheit,
Und Angst die andren dir,
Sie geben ihre Freiheit,
Nur was gibt es von mir?
Vielleicht... - geb' ich mein Leben,
Für ein verlor'nes Land.
Wenn nichts mehr zu erstreben,
Stellt mich doch an die Wand!
Es ist nicht zu verstehen -
Wo früher Kampf und Krieg,
Kannst du jetzt staunend sehen,
Wie leicht er ist, der Sieg.
Nicht Kampf gibt es, nicht Kriege,
Die Zeiten sind vorbei.
Ach, wenn aus Elend stiege
Doch nur ein einz'ger Schrei...
Nein, niemand wird hier schreien,
Uns ist es einerlei,
Und du, in Teufels Reihen,
Bist nicht einmal dabei...
thanked 8 times
Submitted by Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke on Sun, 19/04/2020 - 22:07
Last edited by Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke on Fri, 14/05/2021 - 12:51
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Der Alptraum hat gerade erst begonnen...

Zitat zur Euthanasie:
Bis vor einer Woche war es nur im Krieg und bei gewaltigen Naturkatastrophen vorstellbar: Italien, Spanien und Frankreich wenden die Triage an. Auch New York bereitet sich darauf vor. Wegen des Mangels an Beatmungsgeräten können nicht alle schwerst Erkrankten künstlich beatmet werden, so dass Regierungen und/oder Ärzte entscheiden müssen, wessen Leben wertvoller ist als das anderer Menschen. So schrieb der Tagesspiegel am 27.03.:
„Seit dem 21. März würden Patienten, die älter sind als 80 Jahre, nicht mehr beatmet. Stattdessen erfolge „Sterbebegleitung mit Opiaten und Schlafmitteln“. Patienten über 80, über 75, an manchen Tagen auch über 70 könnten nicht mehr intubiert werden, weil schlicht die Beatmungsgeräte fehlten.“

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Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Sat, 16/05/2020 - 09:14

Yes, Tatiana, it is heartbreaking! Now they say, they do not apply this sort of "triage". So they change their own information every minute. And by the way, the Nazis called this "euthanasia", and that has nothing to do with a "right to die", that is mass-murder!

Once I have written a wonderful fairy-tale from Japan about Sannen-ne-Taroo. This guy was sleeping all the time, and the people from his village were very upset, because he did not work. He only stood up to urinate. The years went by. Then it started to rain for a long time, many other villages become flooded and many people died. But this village not, because Sannen-ne-Taroo has created channels, so the water could flow away. All the people in his village were very happy and praised Taroo, they made a big party in honour of him. But Sannen-ne-Taroo was sleeping as usual.

So – who can decide, which person is worth to life or not, which person is "useful" or not?

Туна ЧеневскаяТуна Ченевская    Sun, 10/05/2020 - 17:09

You are so right. From another point of view, the old people once contributed a lot to the society and they should not be forgotten or looked down upon even if they're unable to do as much as before. It is really cruel and inhumane not to treat them.

As a Chinese, we have a culture of filial piety, which means the young respect the old and children provide their parents with love and care when they grow old. From this background, I feel very shocked to learn this policy and think it is inacceptable.

I hope people in your country can do something to change this if possible, and I sincerely wish this pandemic to go away soon. Sad smile Bless you and your family.

Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Sun, 10/05/2020 - 18:09

"...the old people once contributed a lot to the society and they should not be forgotten or looked down upon even if they're unable to do as much as before. It is really cruel and inhumane not to treat them."

Absolutely right!

In 2007 my father in law got the information that his apartment would be sold to an investment company. He was shocked and suffered a stroke and we took care for him since that time. Then he had to go to a hospital. We visited him there and found him with a head as big and red as a balloon. I was shocked and insisted to copy the list of medicine. The doctor refused it and said, they already stopped to give him all these pills. Some days later they dismissed him. Before that incident he was always saying, that nothing could happen to him, because he served his country during the 2. world war and later as official for his whole life. He was mistaken...

Dear Tatiana, I also wish you and your family all the best! Stay healthy and happy! 😃👍

Туна ЧеневскаяТуна Ченевская    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 02:55

Thank you for your kind wishes Teeth smile

I am really sorry to hear that... Is it because the hospital doesn't want to allocate too much medical resources to the old? This is ridiculous... Sad smile How unfair it is that the rich get the best medical care while common people can't, and Trump's saying "this is life" rather than do something to make a change.

Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 09:34

Really, Tatiana, I don't know, what has happened there, I am not a doctor... But in hospital he became more sick, and they gave him many, many (!) pharmaceutics. Maybe too much? Why didn't they allow me to copy the list for to check all these "products"? - And by the way: in Germany up to 20000 people have to die every single year due to so called "hospital-germs", and it was allowed in the past to visit people there without any masks! Please compare the figures: Actually there are about 7600 COVID-victims in Germany. Too much, of course, but still less than in other years. So I do not understand, why people, who do not suffer from COVID has to stay in quarantine for months. All these figures here are official figures (!), but if you quote them, they say, you are mentally not sane or not democratic...

Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 10:06

You said: Trump's saying "this is life"

Trump is so primitive, so cruel, "eat or get eaten" - we are no amoebas, aren't we? And even amoebas will die, if they drink disinfection! – We should behave like human beings, we should take care of each other, help each other, work together, then 1 + 1 can become 3! And that has nothing to do with any political direction or religion, it is a matter of foresight or wisdom.

Here in Germany it is a little bit different. Some people here are very much afraid of a new and global dictatorship. In our history Hitler started his dictatorship with the so called "Ermächtigungsgesetz" (enabling act) to "protect" the country, because someone had set fire to the German parliament. And now this word is mentioned 48 times (!) in our recently changed law against infection. There it is said, that they can put you into a psychiatric hospital, only if they think (!) you don't want to obey this law. They can force you to medical examination (so they can store your genetic material for any reason) and they can force you to vaccination. All that is against our constitution! Again they say that it is necessary to protect our country... - And again I have to say that this are only the official facts.

Туна ЧеневскаяТуна Ченевская    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 10:14

Actually, in my opinion, quarantine is necessary. COVID is highly infectious. It may be carried and spread by people who do not have any symptoms, and one day show up on somebody. Before test it is impossible to say whether a person is infected or not. And unlike common flu, COVID is deadly and very harmful to one's lungs.

But meanwhile, the problems in hospital really cannot be overlooked. I heard that protection in many European hospitals are not enough, and that is something urgently necessary to change. Besides, maybe sometimes regulations are too cold-blooded? But if they have too much flexibility, occasions that thousands of people marching on the streets during pandemic would happen... And what follows is an increase in active cases. Relationship between laws and individuals is always a problem unsolved...

Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 11:34

"COVID is highly infectious"
I cannot say anything about that, I am not an expert. On the other hand many experts say that it is not as dangerous as expected. And the actual, official figures in my country do underline that. Moreover, in my personal surrounding there are no deadly cases at all. How is the situation in your country?

"Relationship between laws and individuals is always a problem unsolved..."
Oh, yes, that it is the main question, not only in this connection. Once there was a thread here on LT about the possibility to put in Nazi-propaganda songs. I was against it, against this sort of "freedom" for to protect liberty and peace. Other users had the opinion that this is censorship, typical for any sort of dictatorship. I definitely do not want to start this discussion here again, but want to underline, how difficult this question is to solve... Perhaps it is always just a question of personal values. Most of the people here in Germany support the government's measures ("life is more important than freedom"), which is, after all, a democratic decision that I accept.

Туна ЧеневскаяТуна Ченевская    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 12:32

In China, some scientists compared COVID and SARS in 2003, and drew conclusion that COVID is more infectious. According to the statistics, it seems like this conclusion is reliable. When the pandemic began, there were many people in Wuhan infected and even died. Even a number of people that my family knew passed away. Fortunately, the lockdown of Wuhan and a series of other methods to prevent COVID's spreading was implemented and the case number has gone down quickly. Right now in China there are only around a thousand active cases, including those who don't show symptoms. In the province I live now, there is no active case at all. However, we are still very careful and wear masks whenever we go out. There are also staff who check our temperature at places that people gather. Most of universities only allow graduates to go back on campus, or make it optional for other students to return. Now the biggest challenge for us is to prevent and cure cases from abroad. I noticed that there is a very huge difference between the western people and Chinese's understanding of COVID. In China we tend to think quarantine is necessary because we hope COVID could disappear like SARS did. I cannot conclude the western people's mainstream idea, but from how governments deal with the pandemic, I think there's a cultural difference.

I highly agree with you on "life is more important than freedom"! Sometimes dangerous thoughts could affect a lot of people and cause immeasurable losses and disasters. That is also why YouTube is closing channels related to ISIS. And you are right -- many things in life become controversial due to personal values, and these are correlated to people's past experiences, culture backgrounds, religious beliefs, etc. Perhaps the difference of handling the pandemic between China & western countries (and of course western countries differ from each other) is also revealing personal values of different groups of people.

Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 14:33

Tatiana, thank you very much for all this interesting information and the time you spend to write me. I do very much appreciate this high level of discussion. 👍

It made me very sad to hear that persons in your surrounding had to pass away! A human being, a friend, a member of the own family is much more than only a figure on a piece of paper.

You wrote: "However, we are still very careful and wear masks whenever we go out."

Yes, so many years I saw that in television and here on the streets people from Asia, who are often wearing masks to protect themselves and other people. And more - it seems to be a sign of respect towards other persons. And that really impressed me very much! - But here nowadays I have got the impression, the mask is nothing more than a sign of obedience and subjugation, meanwhile the figures show that there is no new sort of pestilence...

Then you wrote " I think there's a cultural difference."

Yes, and that is really astonishing. Why the people here did not wear masks in the past? Do they want to show strength? It was a sort of holy duty to go sick to work by public and overcrowded trains and busses without any protection in the past. It was a sort of social taboo to stay at home, people were afraid to lose their jobs. Can you imagine? - And I was never in favor of that! It is the same with our shaking-hands-culture. Oh, how I love the Chinese way to make a slight bow or the Indian way to greet each other with both hand in front of the heart or the Arabian way to bow and put the hand on their heart! So full of respect! I hope that will change here in future!

Cultural difference – that's the point! I was born, when they built the wall between the western and eastern part of Germany. All my life they propagated "Freedom": We are free, the Eastern part of Germany is nothing more than a cage, and so on. Do you know Star Trek, the old series? Captain Kirk says it again and again: Human beings cannot life unfree, it is completely impossible! – So he put off the "collar of obedience" and free all slaves on other planets, even if these planet were a sort of paradise before... – And the people absorbed these slogans and made them part of their physical structure: Freedom! – Now we are about 8 billion people on this earth... Can you remember? When the first automobiles came up, there were no rules at all. Now I guess we have more rules than cars. And it is of course necessary. – So what will happen in future? One government for the whole world? Who knows? We all have about 60 thousand trillions (?) cells inside our bodies, cells, which were free a long time ago. And we have only 1 brain, who rules like a dictator. Bad luck, if this brain is insane, drink to much, commit suicide and so on... – Whatever will be – I think, I am too old to change... And only the "fittest", the ones, which adapt, will survive...

Туна ЧеневскаяТуна Ченевская    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 15:42

I am really glad to have such deep and interesting conversations with you -- I learned a lot what people from another hemisphere think. Regular smile

I think high-tech, or in other words, social media, build up so many rules in the world. Information spread quickly, and influence people's thoughts greatly. More connections there are, more problems emerge too. Today we just have too much information, and due to diversity of people, each one thinks and acts so differently towards the same information. And everyone wants their own rights not to be violated, so people of similar backgrounds may get into groups to do something big easily through internet. That can be both good or bad -- sometimes it can make the world better, and sometimes it is just the cause of being cheated by fake news or information! Good or bad, those voices or movements may violate the rights of another group of people...

Maybe, this is why we have so many rules now, much more than the past?

Isaiah ChenIsaiah Chen    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 16:27

A miserable truth that really happened... Just owing to senility could a patient be no more actively treated, then euthanased...
That's like in some plots of sci-fi films, or reminds me of a bad, obsolete and inhuman habit - One to carry his/her parent older than an appointed age (60 or 70) on hill and leave him/her alone there to wait the moment of death, such as in the movie Narayama Bushiko.
Behind all this, is the distortion of human nature, or moral decay?

Vera JahnkeVera Jahnke    Mon, 11/05/2020 - 17:15

Dear Tatiana, dear Isaiah,

please allow me to answer to your interesting contributions in one comment.
Too much information and the moral decay – where is the connection?

If you have too much money, you waste it. If you have too much bread, you throw it away. If you have too much human beings, what will you do then...?

I checked the definition of moral, it can be the "set of the currently applicable values, norms and virtues." So what is valuable? Gold for example, because it is rare.

So I wonder if value or moral could really be determined by numbers?? – What a horror!

And rules? – Yes, Tatiana, I think that really depends on the number. More cars lead to more traffic rules. And maybe it is the same with information. Do it have any worth any longer, if every second there are coming millions and millions of it?

If you have about 10 CDs, you can store them anywhere in your room, but if you have 1000 you have to press them into a given system with a determined place and "classification", if you are not a "pack rat". But a human being should be more than simple plastic disk...

It makes me very sad to think about this problem and I am happy that next year I will be 60. - Maybe I will go on this hill, which Isaiah told about, and enjoy the free view...

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