[SOLVED] Covers

I have seen and used the "also performed by"-field, which is great by the way, and I did not mean to suggest that it be removed or replaced.

The extra video URLs are still worthy of consideration. It would be a social component and would make it quick and easy to hear the cover. Some covers, although having the same words, use a different style, like disco or jazz, or one live performance or a different live performance. BlackSea4ever shared a URL of Metallica's slow, orchestrated, live performance of Nothing Else Matters. I think it would be great to add this to the page.

Then again, we can put the URLs in the comments under the song. But that doesn't seem to be happening.

But it did not occur to me that changes to the "also performed by"-field are being discussed. That will be very interesting.

I am aware that the rule is in print, but new subscribers may not read the rules immediately. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many covers, I would imagine. Unless the rule is new or people are deliberately disregarding, which is possible.

As a reminder, this rule only exists on this site, because it is the only translation site. But new subscribers may be accustomed to ordinary sites which allow covers.

Just some thoughts. . .

Sciera: "I would rather be in favour for extending the functionality of the "also performed by"-field to also be able to have videos attached."

Good idea. I like it. Maybe you could put live performances of the same artist? Or maybe those could just go down into ordinary comments.

Sciera:"And in some cases people may not even be aware that the version they are adding is a cover."

Hence my suggestion that a message appear after title entry has been completed, this title aleady exists, please make sure yours isn't a cover, see Best Practices [link].

New subscribers are sent rules, it's their fault if they ignore.:

But how many duplicates are even noticed/reported? And what about people with reading disabilities; they can only read a paragraph. I'm thinking in terms of prevention being better than the cure. This is very hard and time-consuming to monitor. Because three songs having the exact same title might be completely different in lyrics.

The primary purpose and priority of the site is translation. I get that. The rest is just to make it more fun. But as Lizzzard and Sciera mentioned, all translations need to be in one place and easy to find.

I didn't notice the Related field for many months. Don't remember if I discovered it on my own or if someone told me. It's awesome.

You can connect song "families". You can also ask Admin to connect, let's say, Morrissey with the Smiths or Steve Perry with Journey or Gwen Stefani with No Doubt.

Your intent is excellent, but there's already a different field for that. And they're trying to get us to stop adding covers on separate pages. They're trying to figure out a way to collect covers onto one page without having to go to different pages.

I used to go to Genius exclusively until I discovered this site. Problem with Genius is that once someone creates an annotation for a word/phrase, no one else can.

Sciera: "Footnotes like that are a further reason against (identical) cover entries - no sense in having to edit the same lyrics more than once."

I dont understand. What edits? I'm going blank.

Okay, well I hope in the case I mentioned above in comment #16, you will allow an exception, because the lyrics vary slightly anyhow. I got out on a technicality, I think.

I will share my perspective, that I want to mark my favorite songs but if they have a video that I don't like, that feature is kind of ruined. And it bugs me to add a song to my personal collection which reflects someone else's taste. But this is not your problem. You guys can only do so much, and you're putting your heads together and coming up with great ideas, but ultimately someone is going to complain about something.

Moving forward, I may have to deprive the world of my scintillating collections. (yes, sarcasm) And I can keep a list of favorites in a phone memo and go to YouTube for my favorite version. I just like the one-stop-shop feel of containing everything within the site. It simplifies. It sounds like you guys are on board with that and looking for the best solution. There's only so much you can do.

This site is for translation primarily. I get that. But you know, if the supermarket has pleasant staff, coffee samples and a cheerful atmosphere, it creates a feeling of comfort that makes you come more often and stay longer. Same with a website. If there is a dopamine release, it makes us want to come back for it again.

I have to work hard to wrap my head around what you (and DarkJoshua) said about footnotes. There's no way I'm going to contact the uploader and say, "Would you mind adding the following 8 footnotes?" But to your point, modifying Genius's idea has merit; I'm glad it's on the table. But look at Hotel California on Genius: https://genius.com/Eagles-hotel-california-lyrics. I would hate for this to happen to LT. No disrespect to the Genius subscriber that added the commentary, they put a lot of time into it and did a good job. But I was impressed by the superiority of LT's footnote capability. It is quicker and cleaner. The other thing about genius annotations that bothers me is that if your comments are too short, they'll stop you from adding further comments. IMDB does that. If your comments aren't long enough, you cannot save them.

If I type items into the comments, will anyone scroll down to see them? The comments section is another great feature that no one seems to use. I suspect it is because they don't want to annoy the uploader. Me, I love comments, if they are polite: https://lyricstranslate.com/en/keith-frank-and-soileau-zydeco-band-co-fa....

Anyhow, thanks to communication from Mods, we know that new ideas are "cooking".

As usual, I am chatty. Time to cease and desist.

Thanks.

This not only creates a shortcut, it helps us to not create a duplicate, because often the solo artist buys the rights to the music and creates a new album. If we can quickly switch back and forth, we can check for the song title in both locations to ensure that it in fact does not already exist in either location.

I could swear I asked for a related link to be created between Steve Perry and Journey, but it appears that it was not done or saved. Would you mind Juan?

Journey is hard to dig out, but Steve Perry pops up. And Igeethecat, this way if someone sees the Journey list and doesn't see Foolish Heart, hopefully they'll click on the Steve Perry link and see it there.

While everyone is creating their checklist of details to consider in making final decisions, please note that currently, the artist's video appears underneath the video referenced in submitter's comments. I think for now I'll transfer both versions into submitter's comments and not use the video URL field at all.

The following is a bad example, but so you can see what I'm talking about. - https://lyricstranslate.com/en/swell-season-and-healing-has-begun-lyrics...

I was going to enter the movie lyrics and movie clip because I've created a collection for the OST music in the Irish movie Once. But then I noticed that Van Morrison was the original. I checked, no one has uploaded any version of this song. I suspected the lyrics would be the same, and so added the Van Morrison video to the submitter's comments. At that time I listened to Van Morrison to make sure the lyrics match. It turns out they have several variations, so the Van Morrison version should probably have its own page. I haven't decided if I should remove the Van Morrison video from the Swell Season page.

But let's say for discussion's sake that both versions had the exact, word-for-word lyrics. Please notice that the submitter's comments video is positioned above the video URL field video. As I said, I can just put both into the submitter's comments to reverse the positioning (right? - not breaking a rule or creating an issue?)

BUT

If videos are added to the "also performed by" feature, as Sciera suggested, please consider to make sure the first, most prominent video matches the artist under which the song is listed.