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[CLOSED] Request for a new language: Siberian

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<a href="/es/translator/bignavigator" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1391096">bignavigator</a>
Se unió: 27.07.2018
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Hello. I've noticed the huge diversity of languages presented on this site's list, however, it lacks one language I'm knowledgeable in. It's the Siberian language (сибирской говор, sibirskoj govor).

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<a href="/es/translator/bignavigator" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1391096">bignavigator</a>
Se unió: 27.07.2018

Summarized info about the language can be found on the official Volgota website.
The Siberian language course can be found on Google Docs.
We happened to have our own Wikipedia back in 2006-2007, but it got closed because of conflicts with the Russian Wikipedists, who consider us «separatists» and such.
There's a YouTube channel for covers on various songs translated into Siberian.
We also have a few original Siberian songs: Вороп на Полдень/Vorop na Poldenj («Attack on South») by Bugotak, and Мы знамо вздынемся/My znamo vzdynemsia («We shall overcome») by Taras Manolov.
As you might've guessed, I'm a Siberian speaker and can help with translating this site's interface into Siberian if I have time.
 

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<a href="/es/translator/crimsondyname" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1311076">crimsonDyname</a>
Se unió: 14.10.2016

I believe that, in order to add a new language, there must be at least three songs in/using said language on the site prior to it being added. Are there any Siberian-language songs on the site, and if not, are you able to add more?

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<a href="/es/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1387945">Jadis</a>
Se unió: 01.07.2018

It's a conlang (constructed language), as I understand it.

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<a href="/es/translator/%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3-%D0%BB" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1330079">Олег Л.</a>
Se unió: 03.03.2017

The Siberian language doesn't exist. It's nonsense.

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<a href="/es/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1387945">Jadis</a>
Se unió: 01.07.2018
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<a href="/es/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Se unió: 16.02.2011

We don't really have rules for conlangs, but they can basically be added if they are spoken by a larger community of people.
Is that the case?

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<a href="/es/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Se unió: 13.04.2017

Well, Siberian is considered a dialect of Russian by the majority of linguists. There are several reasons for this, but the main one is that this "language" has as exactly the same grammar as that of the Russian language.
Besides, having read a similar topic about Scottish English (something around a year ago or so) and being somehow acquainted with it, I dare say Siberian could be added to the list for there's a lot of people speaking it in their everyday life in Siberia. Although the active vocabulary may vary from location to location. I'd say, roughly, there are two varieties of this "language": Eastern and Western Siberian.
The main issue is that an average native Russian speaker can easily understand about 90% of what is said in Siberian, but some words may appear as confusing.
I recommend the topic starter to add three songs in Siberian having specified the language as "Other" and put "Siberian" in the submitter comments section. Then adding a new language can be requested in full accordance with the site rules.

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<a href="/es/translator/go2ru" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1430707">Go2Ru</a>
Se unió: 15.08.2019

Я уже так и вижу, как люд московский будет ломать голову, почему они едят викторию и ёжиков, носят пимы, что такое мультифора. Про сморщи и барабули вообще молчу! (Плевать,что это уже брянский говор, но почему бы и нет? Страна же большая)

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<a href="/es/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Se unió: 16.02.2011

Many dialects have a different grammar from their respective standard language - if Siberian has exactly the same, it's very close to its standard for a dialect.

bignavigator pointed out some grammatical differences here, though: https://lyricstranslate.com/en/whats-andy-%D1%87%D0%BE-%D1%81-%D0%B5%D0%...

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<a href="/es/translator/vevvev" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1405697">vevvev</a>
Se unió: 14.12.2018

I have lived all my life in the south of western Siberia. There is no Siberian language here and never has been.

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<a href="/es/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Se unió: 13.04.2017

Bignavigator is right about the articles that are present in Siberian but as for the aspects, they all have "mirrors" in standard Russian. There's even a Russian anecdote on this topic:
Школу посетила комиссия из роно. Проверяющие спрашивают учительницу Марь Иванну:
- А почему это у вас дети вместо "пришёл", "ушёл" говорят "пришедши", "ушедши"?
- А они так привыкши, - отвечает Марь Иванна.

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<a href="/es/translator/uncommon" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1414669">Schnurrbrat</a>
Se unió: 07.03.2019

Перевод строчки из «Гамлета» «Peace, break thee off; look, where it comes again!» (в русском переводе Б. Л. Пастернака «Молчи. Замри. Гляди, вот он опять») звучит на так называемом «сибирском языке» как «Ебьона мать, опеть припьорся дык!». Cоздателей языка иногда называют «cибирскими националистами» и приписывают им сепаратизм как одну из целей создания языка.

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<a href="/es/translator/vevvev" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1405697">vevvev</a>
Se unió: 14.12.2018

В грузинской школе на уроке русского языка.
- Запомните дети, ибо понять это невозможно: слова "сол" и "бол" пишутся с мягким знаком, а слова "тарелька" и "вилька" без.

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<a href="/es/translator/greensattva" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1212099">Sophia_</a>
Se unió: 07.07.2014

Schnurrbrat, I was going to write the same thing.
You were faster.

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My mother was born and raised in Siberia (Kemerovo, Tomsk) She never heard about ' Siberian language'

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<a href="/es/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat</a>
Se unió: 16.12.2017

I am joining the gang, there’s no Sibirian, Ural[iian], Moscow[ian], etc
There is one могучий и великий

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<a href="/es/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1387945">Jadis</a>
Se unió: 01.07.2018

I think Siberia is so huge, and the people living there are from so many different origins that it would be surprising that something like a united Siberian language would emerge, except in the brains of idealists. But if one can find "Siberian-language" songs, I have nothing against them. After all, Esperanto is also an idealistic language.

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<a href="/es/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Se unió: 13.04.2017

If your mother was born somewhere deeper in the forests, she would know the lingo of Siberians. Wink smile
Well, the problem is there are several dialects with lots of borrowed words along with archaisms, and there's also a bunch of fanatics eager to build a stand-alone "language" out of this stuff.
My opinion is (and I am not alone having it) that at least two varieties of so-called Siberian dialect do exist nowadays, provided that they are cleansed of slang and similar non-compulsory stuff.
It's an experts' choice to call these dialects "languages" or not, but I've been to some villages where any of you speaking Russian fluently would surely have some problems in understanding local speech.

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<a href="/es/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Se unió: 16.02.2011

We do have some dialect and language categories that harbour more than one variety. So if it is actually spoken by people and actually differs from standard Russian enough to warrant its own category, it doesn't matter whether it's one or several varieties.

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<a href="/es/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Se unió: 16.02.2011
Brat wrote:

It's an experts' choice to call these dialects "languages" or not, but I've been to some villages where any of you speaking Russian fluently would surely have some problems in understanding local speech.

As a linguist I would tell you that "language" and "dialect" are ill-defined and undefinable terms and that there is no border between them.
Mutual unintelligibility is a good sign for it being worth a different category, but since I hardly speak standard Russian I can't tell.

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Siberian language? My Crimean Tatar grandparents were forced to live in Siberia and they never talk me about Siberian language. I heard about Yakut, Tartar, Zazaki, Bashkir... In Western Siberia it's Ostyak now called: Khanty. Also gropup languages 'Finno-Ugrian'. Ingrian, Nenets, Karelian, Olonetsian, Ludian, Votian, and Vepsian are languages of Northwestern Siberia. Dialects of Estonian and Finnish are also spoken in the area. We don't understand them unless we have learn their language but all of us speak Russian so we comunicate to each other in Russian

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Сибирский язык: искусственный микроязык, созданный в начале XXI века Ярославом Золотарёвым. Противники сибирского языка утверждают, что это искусственный интернет-язык, созданный для мемов

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<a href="/es/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Se unió: 13.04.2017

I think it could be added if there are enough songs in it though there's one essential thing: it should be named "Siberian Russian" for it's Russian by design and origin, with some modifications.

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<a href="/es/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Se unió: 16.02.2011
Brat wrote:

I think it could be added if there are enough songs in it though there's one essential thing: it should be named "Siberian Russian" for it's Russian by design and origin, with some modifications.

Or possibly "Russian (Siberian varieties)".

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<a href="/es/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Se unió: 13.04.2017

Well, as I previously said, an average Russian speaker can understand Siberian speech to a certain extent (up to 90%) but on some topics like hunting, etc. Siberian dialect would be completely unintelligible for non-Siberians. The dialect is widespread only in rural areas though urbanites may know some words of it...

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<a href="/es/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1387945">Jadis</a>
Se unió: 01.07.2018

No songs in Russenorsk yet ? Whatchutalkingabout smile
 

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<a href="/es/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Se unió: 13.04.2017
Sciera wrote:

Or possibly "Russian (Siberian varieties)".

That's better describing the situation.
I'd say, the Eastern variety of Siberian Russian is very like that Aussie English compared to its British variant, for it has a huge layer of prisoners' slang that has become a kinda 'normal' lexicon.

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Jadis wrote:

No songs in Russenorsk yet ? Whatchutalkingabout smile
 

We have to return to sXX 🙏 (1918-1919) A mix between Russian and Norwegian? That's cool but dangerous; imagine a mixt of Russian and Norwegian... 🤭 but sadly it ends too soon Wink smile Well... if it would have continued I would understand a bit of old Norsk...

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<a href="/es/translator/lizzzard" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1241111">Lizzzard</a>
Se unió: 01.04.2015
Brat wrote:

but on some topics like hunting, etc. Siberian dialect would be completely unintelligible for non-Siberians.

I can say the same thing about the dialects of modern managers and programmers. XD
I ask them: Почему последний коммит не деплоится в транке? мне релиз не залить на тест
and they say: В десктопе авторизация лежит. деплой через циску ручками.

XD

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<a href="/es/translator/greensattva" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1212099">Sophia_</a>
Se unió: 07.07.2014
Brat wrote:

and there's also a bunch of fanatics eager to build a stand-alone "language" out of this stuff.

Вот эти фанатики меня и напугали. Прочитав статью в википедии, я слегка ужаснулась.

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<a href="/es/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever</a>
Se unió: 19.07.2018

Переведи им на Сибирский! Oops! Russian

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<a href="/es/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat</a>
Se unió: 16.12.2017
BlackSea4ever schrieb:

Переведи им на Сибирский! Oops! Russian

Д, я удивляюсь, почему Одесский до сих пор не вспомнили

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<a href="/es/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever</a>
Se unió: 19.07.2018

My bad!

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<a href="/es/translator/bignavigator" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1391096">bignavigator</a>
Se unió: 27.07.2018
crimsonDyname wrote:

I believe that, in order to add a new language, there must be at least three songs in/using said language on the site prior to it being added. Are there any Siberian-language songs on the site, and if not, are you able to add more?

I've added a few of them: Vorop na Poldenj and My znamo vzdynemsia.

Brat wrote:

Well, Siberian is considered a dialect of Russian by the majority of linguists. There are several reasons for this, but the main one is that this "language" has as exactly the same grammar as that of the Russian language. Besides, having read a similar topic about Scottish English (something around a year ago or so) and being somehow acquainted with it, I dare say Siberian could be added to the list for there's a lot of people speaking it in their everyday life in Siberia. Although the active vocabulary may vary from location to location. I'd say, roughly, there are two varieties of this "language": Eastern and Western Siberian. The main issue is that an average native Russian speaker can easily understand about 90% of what is said in Siberian, but some words may appear as confusing. I recommend the topic starter to add three songs in Siberian having specified the language as "Other" and put "Siberian" in the submitter comments section. Then adding a new language can be requested in full accordance with the site rules.

Grammar isn't exactly the same. For example, Siberian has 7 grammatical cases (Compared to RU 6), perfect forms ending with -шы (Я сробившы = I've made), postfixed articles, contracted endings in adjectives (красна, молода, etc. — all of them end with an additional Я in RU), etc.

Here's how it's described in Wikipedia:

The territory of the second formation (e.g. where Russians settled after the 16th century) consist of most the land to the North and North-East of Central Russia, that is Karelia, Murmansk, Vyatka, Perm, Komi, Udmurtia, and as well as Siberia and Far East.

Siberian is officially considered a dialect, but we consider it a separate language. You can read about some features that differentiate Siberian (as well as Pomor, Novgorodian, etc.) from Standard Russian in the Wikipedian article I posted above. Keep in mind that it describes not every single difference, and thus it makes Siberian not as much intelligible for an average Central Russian as described by Brat (i.e. they couldn't easily understand 90% of pure Siberian speech from the first try. I'd rather rate it with 70-80%).

As you might've noticed, most people from Siberian towns/cities don't know the Siberian language because it's rarely used in urbanities, but in Siberian villages, it's commonly used.

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<a href="/es/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Se unió: 16.02.2011

Seems worthwhile enough to add a new category "Russian (Northern varieties)".

Native speakers, any reasons against?

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<a href="/es/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Se unió: 13.04.2017

No reasons against, but I'd like to kindly ask bignavigator to submit the time and place of recording along with Siberian songs they publishes here on LT. This may help those trying to understand and learn Siberian dialects.
As for me, in this song I hear some words used in Western Siberia, and some appear as Eastern Siberian to me, and there are also some words I haven't heard before. That's why I can't classify this song as originating from Eastern or Western Siberia. And well, I'm waiting for the third song to be published soon.
P.S. Besides, actually there are 7 cases in Russian, but the 7-th one, so-called vocative, is rarely mentioned in basic grammar books because one can easily speak Russian without using it for a lifetime (using nominative instead); "perfect forms ending with -шы" correspond to mere participles in standard Russian; "contracted endings in adjectives (красна, молода, etc.)" are widely used in standard Russian and mentioned in each and every grammar book; writing "ы" where "и" is normally written in standard Russian looks strange for it does not affect pronunciation at all.

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Sciera a écrit :

Seems worthwhile enough to add a new category "Russian (Northern varieties)".
Native speakers, any reasons against?

  I doubt we should add new regional languages like that. For example, there's Pomor (поморьска говоря, pomorjska govoria) in the Arkhangelsk oblast, and it's different enough to Siberian in my POV. I found one song in Pomor. They lack the /tʃ/ phoneme and use /t͡ɕ/ (aka soft Ц, which doesn't exist in Siberian) instead.
 
Also: I've added 4 Siberian songs in total. Is it enough?

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<a href="/es/translator/igeethecat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1365086">Igeethecat</a>
Se unió: 16.12.2017

I am against “northern varieties”. To begin with, the talk was was about so called “sibirian” which is not even categorized as “northern” Russian. St. Petersburgians consider themselves “north”, Siberia is at least “east”. And it is so wrong, as proclaiming Texassian English, for example

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Se unió: 30.11.2016

If it's okay can I translate this page in Low German since this Language differs in so many words that it would make sense to have the page in this language

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<a href="/es/translator/asm" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1313317">A.S.M</a>
Se unió: 31.10.2016

И я тоже. Нельзя услышать, чего в природе нет.

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<a href="/es/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Se unió: 16.02.2011
Igeethecat wrote:

I am against “northern varieties”. To begin with, the talk was was about so called “sibirian” which is not even categorized as “northern” Russian. St. Petersburgians consider themselves “north”, Siberia is at least “east”. And it is so wrong, as proclaiming Texassian English, for example

So the issue is only with the name of the category, not with the category?
The northern varieties are these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Russian_dialects
and I would guess that the varieties of Russian spoken in Siberia would also fit into that category.

What's the issue with Texassian English?

bignavigator wrote:
Sciera wrote:

Seems worthwhile enough to add a new category "Russian (Northern varieties)".
Native speakers, any reasons against?

  I doubt we should add new regional languages like that. For example, there's Pomor (поморьска говоря, pomorjska govoria) in the Arkhangelsk oblast, and it's different enough to Siberian in my POV. I found one song in Pomor. They lack the /tʃ/ phoneme and use /t͡ɕ/ (aka soft Ц, which doesn't exist in Siberian) instead.
 

One sound difference doesn't suffice a new category.

Quote:

Also: I've added 4 Siberian songs in total. Is it enough?

3 songs is normally the minimum, so that's fine - if we consider it its own category.

A.S.M wrote:

И я тоже. Нельзя услышать, чего в природе нет.

If you want to join the discussion it would be beneficial if you'd use a language I as the only mod in this thread thus far also understand.

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<a href="/es/translator/asm" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1313317">A.S.M</a>
Se unió: 31.10.2016

Разве, у меня нет право на русском писать??? Это где ж такое в правилах здесь на сайте написано???

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<a href="/es/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Se unió: 13.04.2017

Каждый русский мужчина имеет право налево. Wink smile Но чтобы объяснить это иностранцам, нужно потратить несколько минут. И то не факт что поймут... Поэтому не удивляйтесь, если не удастся довести ваше мнение, изложенное на малопонятном языке, до администрации...

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<a href="/es/translator/asm" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1313317">A.S.M</a>
Se unió: 31.10.2016

Благодарю вас за поддержку, но считаю, что имею право писать на своём родном, тем более английский я не понимаю и тема сего форума имеет прямое ко мне касательство,так как я проживаю в Сибири.

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Se unió: 14.12.2018
bignavigator a écrit :

Hello. I've noticed the huge diversity of languages presented on this site's list, however, it lacks one language I'm knowledgeable in. It's the Siberian language (сибирской говор, sibirskoj govor).

There is no Siberian language! There is not a single academic source that describes this so-called language. This "language" is as real as the blue creature on your avatar. Stop misleading people by passing your fiction as reality.

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<a href="/es/translator/asm" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1313317">A.S.M</a>
Se unió: 31.10.2016

Евгений вы здраво рассуждаете. Не было, нет и не будет!!!

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<a href="/es/translator/asm" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1313317">A.S.M</a>
Se unió: 31.10.2016
vevvev wrote:
bignavigator wrote:

Hello. I've noticed the huge diversity of languages presented on this site's list, however, it lacks one language I'm knowledgeable in. It's the Siberian language (сибирской говор, sibirskoj govor).

There is no Siberian language! There is not a single academic source that describes this so-called language. This "language" is as real as the blue creature on your avatar. Stop misleading people by passing your fiction as reality.

Товарищ, очень активно настаивает!!! Ну наверное неспроста!!!

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<a href="/es/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Se unió: 16.02.2011

If you accuse each other of politic reasons that makes me rather less convinced of your own position. Could you use some linguistic arguments instead, please?

A.S.M wrote:

Благодарю вас за поддержку, но считаю, что имею право писать на своём родном, тем более английский я не понимаю и тема сего форума имеет прямое ко мне касательство,так как я проживаю в Сибири.

Sure you can write in Russian - just be aware that you are thereby trusting Google Translate to tell me what you are saying.

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Se unió: 29.05.2019
vevvev wrote:

This "language" is as real as the blue creature on your avatar

So that's where the Smurfs actually live? Fancy that!
Sorry, Just couldn't resist.

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https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия_на_«сибирском_языке»

Wikipedia in the "Siberian language"

Sibir Wikipedia ( Sibirsk Wikipedia ) is a closed and subsequently deleted [1] section of Wikipedia [2] in the so-called “Siberian language” (“Siberian-Chaldon language” [2] ), an artificial language developed by Tomsk businessman Yaroslav Zolotaryov based on Siberian old-timers Govorov [3] . Opened October 1, 2006 , deleted November 5, 2007 .
Siberian Wikipedia

ru-sib.wikipedia.org
Commercial
No
Site type
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Optional
Languages)
Siberian Chaldon language
Owner
Wikimedia Foundation
Author
Yaroslav Zolotarev
Beginning of work
October 1, 2006
End of work
November 5, 2007
Current status
deleted

The main topics that were touched on in the “Siberian” Wikipedia are religion and linguistics . In addition, participants in the “Siberian” Wikipedia were involved in translating various texts into the “Siberian language”. It was alleged that this is being done for the future of their transfer to Wikisource .
It was originally saved in read-only mode on a separate domain [4] . Unregistered participants could view it, but could not edit it. Creation of new accounts was done by administrators. In February 2013, there were 5 participants, two of whom were its administrators. Currently completely deleted.

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In the English Wikipedia, the existence of the “Siberian language” was not confirmed by sources accepted as “authoritative” [5] . Those who advocated the removal of this language section of Wikipedia argued [6] that it was not serious about ordinary topics; for example, it was said that in “ Eugene Onegin ” “they are talking about a Russian gentleman, who has nothing more to do than do it, the husbands instead beat the Duc, and there’s Toko Putatsa with pink women” . Translation of a line from Hamlet 's Peace, break thee off; look, where it comes again! ”(in the B.L. Pasternak’s Russian translation“ Silence. Freeze. Look, here he is again ”) sounds like “ Fuck you mother, sing a little dung! ” Also supporters of the removal expressed a strong opinion that Wikipedia in Siberian there is an active anti-Russian position. The creators of the language are sometimes called "Siberian nationalists" and are credited with separatism as one of the goals of creating the language [7] .
The application for the opening of the Wikipedia section in the “Siberian language” as in natural was rejected due to disagreement of the leadership of the Wikimedia Foundation . The second application, representing the “Siberian language” as artificial , was accepted on October 1, 2006 . Soon after, a request was made to close the section, the discussion ended.
On October 8, 2006, the number of articles was about 6400 [2] . By January 2007, due to articles created by bots that are counted by the MediaWiki software , it came to 66th place on the Wikipedia list with 6924 articles [1] , ahead of many living languages ​​- Afrikaans , Uzbek , Belarusian , etc. , however, of them 5100 in most empty articles on the years from 2999 BC. e. until 2100 g. e., 162 articles about decades (mostly empty or reporting: Cho was in these years, we are not aware ), 370 in most empty articles about the days. Another 251 articles are semi-empty “carbon copy” articles about national top-level domains . 81 articles were tagged for transfer to Wikisource , and there was an undetermined number of translations of religious texts, such as biblical Psalms, which are recommended to be posted in Wikisource . Thus, the actual number of “legitimate” articles in the section in the Siberian artificial language did not exceed 1200.
The articles frankly distorted the information; for example, it was said that even for famous writers and even classics, the Russian language was not native: “In Russian dialect, the accordion writers of the Russian Anperia were compiled from all peoples: Tatar Turgenev , Ukrainian Chekhov , Dostoevskaya Pole, Zhida Ilf and Petrov , Pushkin was a non-native people , and to none of them was that important talk was dear. The whole Russian people were lecturing in flagrantly amicable ” [8] .
The section was characterized by an anti-Russian mood [3] , and some articles were misanthropic - verses by the author and ideological mastermind of the “Siberian” Wikipedia, Yaroslav Zolotarev, as well as the “evil peak” “Moskalska Svoloch” [3] , the page “Snot Moskalsky agents” and other

Symbol

Siberian Wikipedia Symbol
Siberian cat ( Siberian kyska ), shown in the photo on the right, was considered a symbol of Siberian Wikipedia.

Notes
↑ 1 2 Mikhail Kazinik, Dmitry Tkachev. A five-minute guide to Siberian separatism // Esquire . - 10/25/2011. - No. 71 .
↑ 1 2 3
Wikipedia has opened a section in the Siberian language // TomskNews.com. - 08.10.2006. Archived on September 27, 2007.
Live map, June 2007 // Newspaper "Geography". - 2007. - No. 13 . Archived on November 13, 2014.
↑ 1 2 3 Pyotr Taborov. Marshal of dialects // Big city. - March 14, 2007. Archived October 15, 2012.
↑ Siberian Volgota Archived November 2, 2010. (sib.)
↑ Wikipedia: Articles for deletion / Siberian language
↑ Application for removal of Siberian Wikipedia on Meta-Wiki (English)
↑ Yatsutko, Denis. Siberia without Russian // RE: ACTION. - (October 12, 2006 - October 22, 2006). - No. 35 "Siberia brought to the tongue . " Archived March 11, 2007.
↑ Russian dialect

Links
Siberian Wikipedia main page ( July 12, 2007)

Siberia is geographical region. A geographical region that contains many minority languages.

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Пример стихотворений на "сибирском" языке:

По всьой Сибире падат с неба кича,
Зима ложытса, дерко застужыт.
«Да кабы сдох москальской городничой,
И всех занятшыков вели б на правьожы!
Народной гнев возблеситса невдолге,
Уж близитса „империе“ вобзол,
И в страсных корчах передохнут вороги!» -
Вешшат с небов блискательной Аньол.

Devil smile

Москальска сволоч

Скоко есь в белом свете сволочных москальов,
Пошти все вони нас ненавидют,
Трудовых и вольготных сибирских людьов,
Скоко могут, все времьо кручинют.
Безотступно сгребатса москальско ворйо
Кабы грабить исправы сибирски,
Безотступно прихоит тупо сволочйо
Иш шары-те раззявили склизки!
Им готованной дох от сибирской земи,
Станут, блядь, гадовать требухою,
И во весь касной скоп розговьонной клятни
Мы хурньом превотяжной кукою.

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Thank you.

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