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Some Languages Carry a Lot of Baggage.

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020
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My mother says that I should be able to see why my wanting to learn Arabic would scare a mother. But I have not converted to Islam, I do not have an Arab date, and I have never been to an Islamic country. But then she wonders what the practical application would be. She said that if I gave Sakura (a doll that I made) a choice between a bunch of benign children's mystery stories with pictures of happy little girls playing hopscotch on the front, but there was one scary book with Darth Vader on the cover, and she chose that one, I would wonder why she chose it over all the non-scary books. Likewise, she wonders why I read the one Arabic book when we have lots of books for other languages. (She compared Arabic to Star Wars, lol!)
I have been learning Japanese for almost two years now, and my mother was talking about how much money our family has spent on Japanese books for me. True, I've been willing to pay more for Japanese books than any other kind of book!
My mom apparently doesn't think one can learn Japanese and Arabic at the same time. My little sister asked, "Are you being lulled by the perverse sound of Arabic?" while I was listening to the CD which comes with the Arabic For Dummies book. My dad came to my rescue by saying, "I think she is attracted to Arabic because of the alphabet, and she really wants to learn another alphabet."
My mom also asked, "Aren't you going to mix Japanese up with Arabic and create Japanabic?" I can't even imagine such a language! A good friend of mine told me that he couldn't imagine it either.
In conclusion, my mom said that it was a poor excuse to want to learn Arabic just because we have the book, because we have books for many other languages as well, such as Spanish and Welsh. She also said that Japanese seemed more "Benign" than Arabic.
Thank you for all your help and support, and as always, thank you for reading! ^_^

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<a href="/hi/translator/ahmad-aziz" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1320850">ahmad aziz</a>
जुड़ा: 27.12.2016

Yes, learning a new language requires strong purpose and motivation
This motivation can have various reasons, it can be business or because you like to know about that culture or because the interest in the poems or songs or singer of
One of my reason for learning Arabic (although I'm still not good at it) was Arabic songs like Nancy ajram or Sirin Abdunoor's songs, Arabic is not scary at all, it's a so beautiful language, also I saw someone has learned Italian because she likes Leonardo da Vinci and wanted to know more about him

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

یا بعضی اوقات ، شخصی دوست فوق العاده ای دارد که با آن زبان صحبت می کند و به آنها کمک زیادی کرده است! Regular smile

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

با تشکر از شما برای اظهار نظر ، احمد!

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<a href="/hi/translator/carnivorouslamb" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1109697">phantasmagoria</a>
जुड़ा: 31.03.2012

And what's your point exactly? By baggage do you mean that when people think of Arabic they think it sounds harsh/angry or because they associate it with violence and Islam? the ignorance of some shouldn't define a language.

I don't know how old you are but at some point you need to decide if you want to learn a language seriously and stick to it, that's that. If your parents pay for your books, why would they complain if they didn't approve of the languages you've picked to learn? If they didn't you wouldn't receive anything, that makes no sense there.

If you're worried your mother is questioning your reason behind learning Arabic or Japanese, tell her straight forward why you want to learn it, what about it makes you want to learn it.

As a bilingual speaker, I was never limited to just my two languages, although when I was a teenager my parents questioned my inclination for Romance languages and I told them that I was already taking Italian in school, why not broaden that list?

Junior Member A writer and guitar player
<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

My mom was concerned both that Arabic is associated with violence and Islam, and that she thinks it sounds harsh and angry. She's worried that I'll end up in a relationship with a Muslim guy, partially.
Thank you for the advice and encouragement!
And I am turning 15 soon.

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<a href="/hi/translator/carnivorouslamb" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1109697">phantasmagoria</a>
जुड़ा: 31.03.2012

That's ignorance on her part then, one thing doesn't lead to another. Don't let this discourage your or influence your decision to learn the language.

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

My mom is not an ignorant person; she just reads horrible news articles that take place in Muslim countries.

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<a href="/hi/translator/carnivorouslamb" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1109697">phantasmagoria</a>
जुड़ा: 31.03.2012

That's ignorance. She's only looking at partial information, what the media shows isn't all that's going on in a country. About 5-10 years ago all you would hear about Mexico is the bodies being found, the cartels running havoc across the states and videos of police brutality. If you so much as uttered the word 'Mexico' people would say "I saw on the news....". Every country has violence, every country has something going on currently or for the last few decades; that doesn't mean there isn't good or that it's not rich in both its history and culture. A handful of violent events don't represent a people/culture/country as a whole, to think otherwise is being purposely ignorant and stubborn.

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

I live very close to Mexico, and my grandma who lives in Colorado reads those articles and panics that we've all been kidnapped by the cartel and have contracted Ebola Fever. Anyways, often what gets put on the news is there because it's both bad and unusual, right? and I already told her that if she is offended by it, why did she let me get the book? She is fine now. The final word was, don't marry a man just because he speaks the language you like. Which I've known; there are plenty of horrible people who speak Japanese, as well, like the Yakuza!

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<a href="/hi/translator/carnivorouslamb" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1109697">phantasmagoria</a>
जुड़ा: 31.03.2012

I'm just saying her reasons are unreasonable and unfounded and a little odd, why would anyone marry someone else based on the language they speak? that's silly. You're about 15, kind of weird for her to jump to marriage based on you learning a language, I'm sure she was probably teasing you (or otherwise it might be an internal conflict with herself and she's projecting it on you).

But otherwise, keep studying and I hope you someday reach your goal of fluency in your selected languages. Good luck.

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

Well, we are Christian, and she wants me to only marry a Christian. That's her main concern about me getting married to a foreigner. The first time she asked us to please not marry Muslim men, I was only eleven!

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

Plus, she is under the impression that Muslim men look for really young wives so they can abuse them.

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<a href="/hi/translator/knee427" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1110108">Alma Barroca</a>
जुड़ा: 05.04.2012

I'm affectionately envolved with a person of Lebanese origin and even if we wanted we couldn't conceal it because of their surname. If you by any reason establish even the slightest relation between that, their background and terrorism, it's offensive to them. Even if we live two continents away from the Middle East. Not even if you meant to be funny. It's ignorance, sorry for breaking this to you.

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

Well, tell her I said Marhaba Bikum! My mom isn't actually that prejudiced. She just wants me to be careful.

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<a href="/hi/translator/knee427" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1110108">Alma Barroca</a>
जुड़ा: 05.04.2012

There were people in my family who thought that me studying Languages and not Law, Engineering, Medicine or any of these 'superior' subjects was a reason for me being deserted or proof that I was stupid and unkind enough with all the money they invested in my education. They even wanted me to join the Army. lol. And here I am, making more money and feeling way better than several relatives of mine who work for the government or in another field of knowledge. 🤷🤷

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<a href="/hi/translator/draumb%C3%B3k" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1206529">draumbók</a>
जुड़ा: 02.05.2014

Those are a lot of silly comments on the part of your family. If you're learning a language just for fun or as a hobby, I don't see why it should matter. I learned bits of some languages (Danish, Arabic, Italian...) just because I like the music from these countries or I just like the language. Language books can be expensive...but you can also get cheap materials.

If it's about 'practicality', she's fair to bring that point up. If you are planning to use these languages in your future career, it makes sense to choose a language that will benefit it. Ie, if you are planning to work in Europe or with European companies, learning French or German would be a good choice, etc...

Check out and share international music here! : https://www.reddit.com/r/international_music/

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

Thank you! Japanese wasn't too practical, either, but they don't mind the thought of me going to Japan. They don't like the thought of me being in most Arab countries. But how is the United Arab Emirates?

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<a href="/hi/translator/sakae" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1299406">SAKAE</a>
जुड़ा: 12.07.2016

Well, you see Arabic does carry a lot of baggage, a lot.

Not in the sense of Cultures, People and States but in the sense of Languages itself. Arabic a very great language when look up it's origins and it's works, the people that wrote and spoke it and cultures that used it. Arabic, you see is a language of both Romance and Practicality, Arabic was the language which started the concept of lyric or abstract meaning phrases, Arabic has heavily influences modern disciplines of Mathematics, Theology, Astrology, Astronomy, Chemistry, Biology and Linguistics. Arabic is the language that preserved the works most of the people we read about in the Western World, Philosophers, Artists, Mathematicians, many more.
The contributions of Arabic are often underplayed by many cultures around the world, especially, the people who relate Arabic to radical Islamic ideologies. I believe that language is a tool of information, what information does it convey is unto the user, all languages carry the capability to be constructive and destructive.

Listening to Arabic is like being in a time machine, the syllabary is designed to preserve information in a way that it can be understood without much less context and much more easily, contrary to English which I believe is the worst language to transfer any information reliably, Arabic preserves the tone and emotion of a sentence which English by all means is incapable of, as you can see in this long commentary. As for me, I think English is way more perverse.

Japanese, you see, has even more baggage than Arabic.

It is a one of a kind language. There is no common ancestor to Japanese and any other language. Though being one of the toughest languages in the world to learn the syllabary of Japanese is more functional and formal than many other languages of the world. Despite it's script being ripped off of Chinese it was a much simpler language. Japanese is phonetic or sound based language. It is more of how you say and less of how you write. This in itself makes it more efficient, however it is a real nightmare when it comes to write modern Japanese(3 Scripts used together, Who the hell thought that was a great idea?). The language is quite literally "Pitch Perfect", with meaning and grammar related to the pitch, that in itself is unique.

I believe cultures don't define languages, Languages are only a tool used by them in order to make information understandable. However, when studying languages, people should often be ready to take on the Stereotypes that come with it. After all, everybody doesn't use the same tool. Everybody does have their own reasons to learn a new language, it is their resolve that makes them ready to take what comes with the knowledge.

In the end of this long and boring commentary, I would say, choose what is best but don't blindly ignore the world around you.
Thank you, the reader, for your patience.(^_^)

P. S. I can imagine a lingual mixture of Arabic and Japanese, as being profound in alpha-syllabary it is much more convenient for me to take on both languages.
P. P. S. If you think Arabic is more benign you really need to study about Buddhist Schools of Japan.

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<a href="/hi/translator/kitkat1" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1276741">KitKat1</a>
जुड़ा: 07.02.2016

I would say that the “baggage” is subjective on the part of the listener, not a product of the language itself. One’s own language always feels transparent. To me Arabic is beautiful, melodic, sweet, nostalgic, and the baggage it carries is the memory of my grandparents. But that’s just me.

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

Well, thank you for your comment, because you have provided me a useful description of each language. I will probably write a report for school about how much the Arabic language has historically contributed to ours, in contrast with other languages. Regular smile

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

I never thought of it that way! Thank you! Wink smile

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

Did you mean, "If you think Japanese is more benign you really need to study about Buddhist Schools of Japan"?

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<a href="/hi/translator/flopsi" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1331196">Flopsi</a>
जुड़ा: 12.03.2017

There's good and bad in everyone - but no language is evil.

Ignorance is such a harsh word. She's a mother and all mothers are protective.

See, if we talked in the family about the violence in the world, my eldest son said that's because people got access to weapons, like in the U.S.A. I said: "No, it's because violence creates violence and even using harsh words can pollute your mind." Later on we watched a movie. My youngest son asked us in what country those people live. I told him U.S.A. and he replied: "Why don't they carry guns?"
One information just can't give you the real thing.

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<a href="/hi/translator/kuducutie34" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1444998">KuduCutie34</a>
जुड़ा: 28.01.2020

I was kind of upset that everyone called my mother ignorant, because when I discussed it with her, she was proving herself to be way too observant, at least to the news. Maybe she thought I was being ignorant? She has read interviews with girls who had actually dated the 9/11 pilots and had had absolutely no idea; she was worried I would end up in a situation like that. Which I wouldn't!
Thanks for your comment Regular smile

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<a href="/hi/translator/flopsi" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1331196">Flopsi</a>
जुड़ा: 12.03.2017

I'm a mother, so I know how a mothers mind works and I'm glad I was right to presume that comments like “your mother is ignorant” did hurt you. I’m sorry about this, because LT is a caring community. I guess you pushed some buttons.

And it sure won’t help when you hear such things like "the Great Satan America" or read books like "Not without My Daughter". Stuff like this feed our fears and stereotypes. You know now better.

I’ve once came across a list of stereotypes. Can’t find it anymore, but it had been on
https://www.fanfiction.net/u/4927303/The-hazel-eyed-bookworm

Those are the ones I picked for myself (and I guess everyone knows the first one):
I'm GERMAN, so I must be a Nazi.
I'm OVERWEIGHT, so I MUST have a problem with self control.
I am a FANGIRL so I MUST be a crazy, obsessed stalker.
I’m WHITE, so I MUST be responsible for everything going wrong on the planet: past, present, and future.
I SPEAK MY MIND, so I MUST be a bitch.
I don't have a RELIGION, so I MUST be evil and have no morals.
I have my OWN spiritual ideology; therefore I MUST be WRONG or MISGUIDED.
I have Big BOOBS, so I MUST be a hoe.
I'm NOT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, so I MUST be a loser.
I don't like to be in a BIG GROUP, so I MUST be anti-social
I have a DIFFERENT sense of HUMOR, so I MUST be crazy.
I WATCH PORN so I MUST be perverted.
I care about the ENVIRONMENT...I MUST be a tree hugging hippy.
I'm CONSERVATIVE, so I MUST be against Abortion.
I like READING, so I MUST be a LONER.
I like FANTASY, so I MUST have no grasp on reality
I love marching band, so I MUST be a friendless freak.

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