Translating without Judging

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<a href="/it/translator/aldefina" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1152070">Aldefina </a>
Iscritto dal: 16.01.2013

Vera, you have to understand that we cannot censor songs basing on what some users don’t like. There was a good example with a Hungarian anthem mentioned here. Would you expect us to censor it because some Turks may not like it?

On LT we also have songs that I don’t like, but I never thought about unpublishing them. I was not entitled to do it. The only reason to censor a song is violation of the site rules.

I asked you all to suggest some changes as for the censorship, but so far there are no suggestions. The way we discuss here makes not much sense. We can talk and talk, but we will never come to the final conclusions.

This is my last day on LT this year, ‘cause I will leave for about a month. You have plenty of time to suggest some sound site rules as for the censorship and we can discuss them, but please stop repeating the same things over and over again. We all know them by heart.

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Dear Aldefina,

You have asked all of us to make suggestions for the website rules. – So here is my idea:

The first existing rule is very elaborated and useful:
"Filthy, offensive, and obscene language and images are prohibited on the site, including usernames and profile pictures.That also extends to offending people based on their nationality, sexual orientation, skin color, religious beliefs, etc. This is a multicultural and multinational website, so respect comes always in first place. No insults are allowed, except for within lyrics."

But maybe the first point of the part "adding content" is too short:

"Lyrics that contain serious hate messages, violence propaganda, racism and aggressive discrimination are prohibited."

Why not write it in this way:

"Lyrics that contain serious hate messages, violence propaganda, racism and aggressive discrimination or are a symbol for extreme forms of that are prohibited."

In that case a Horst-Wessel-Lied would not be published, the Hungarian anthem could remain.
Moreover it does not refer only to songs which are prohibited in Germany. There is really no reason to restrict the rules to Germany.

And regarding songs as "Crusader" everybody can decide by him- or herself whether it is decently to publish it...

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<a href="/it/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1387945">Jadis </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.07.2018
Vera Jahnke wrote:

I know this sort of arguments to well, the people who use them are - as far as I know them personally - NAZIS!

I personnally don't feel that I am a Nazi, nor a Stalinist, nor a Turkish or Cambodian or Rwandese genocider, I never genocided anybody, yet I am against censorship. And I think that there not bad people on one side and good ones (us, of course) on the other one. History is not black or white, it's much more complex.

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<a href="/it/translator/lt" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1">LT </a>
Iscritto dal: 27.05.2008
Vera Jahnke wrote:

1) Who is responsible for this site?

2) In which country this site is located?

3) Why haven't you add publisher's imprint/edition notice to this site?

This website is operated by a team of developers from Ukraine. Site servers are located in Germany.

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Hi lt,

Thank you very much for this helpful information.

I do not know anything about internet-law, but I found this:

"Meistens gilt das Recht des Senders, wobei der Staat des Empfängers die Sendung von Daten nach dem fremden Recht dann toleriert" (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internetrecht)

"Usually the law of the sender applies, whereby the state of the recipient then tolerates the sending of data according to the foreign law"

If this sentence is applicable, then, in my opinion, it should be not possible to publish the "Horst-Wessel-Song" here.

So, in this case, there should be no need in further discussion regarding this topic.

Best regards

Vera

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<a href="/it/translator/oophster" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1389037">Oophster </a>
Iscritto dal: 10.07.2018

In Ukraine you say...Ok. It depends on you whether i shall leave this site once or shall stay. I'll have my eye on you. I'll trace your policy.

Revisore - Россияне домой!
<a href="/it/translator/freigeist" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1249237">Freigeist <div class="editor_icon" title="Editor" ></div></a>
Iscritto dal: 11.06.2015

Da liegt der Hase im Pfeffer!
;)

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<a href="/it/translator/aldefina" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1152070">Aldefina </a>
Iscritto dal: 16.01.2013

It's not important who operates the site and where its servers are located. According to my knowledge important is where it's registered.

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I agree, it is NOT important who operates the site and that really not should lead to any conjectures!

But still the question is open, which law is applicable.

And why they are not more suggestions regarding the website-rules?

Moderatore in pensione
<a href="/it/translator/aldefina" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1152070">Aldefina </a>
Iscritto dal: 16.01.2013

The information you can find e.g. here: https://www.whois.com/whois/lyricstranslate.com or here: https://lyricstranslate.com.websiteoutlook.com/

As you see servers are, as the admins told us, in Germany, but LT is registered in Panama. This way applicable is the law of Panama, which according to the information I found on the net doesn't censor Internet. I hope everything should be clear now.

Revisore - Россияне домой!
<a href="/it/translator/freigeist" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1249237">Freigeist <div class="editor_icon" title="Editor" ></div></a>
Iscritto dal: 11.06.2015

So we eventually found out that Horst Wessel is behind the "Panama Papers" ...
(... and Jean-Claude Juncker is his illegitimate grandson!)
:-o

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<a href="/it/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1387945">Jadis </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.07.2018

"Hic jacet lepus", in Latin. (=Here lies the hare). :)
 

Super Membro
<a href="/it/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.09.2019
Alexander Frei wrote:
Aldefina wrote:

It's not important who operates the site and where its servers are located. According to my knowledge important is where it's registered.

Actually we have one important thing... it's for me important at least .

Germans and Russians have one absolutely equal idiom: "Da liegt der Hund begraben=Вот где собака зарыта" (Here’s where the dog is buried).

the big question is: who first buried this poor dog? l mean Russians or Germans used first this interesting idiom?

Stop with your nationalist agenda already, okay? You've been painfully obvious about your leanings, so no need to beat the dead horse. In your case, I'd suggest thinking on the following Russian idiom: no matter what the topic is, the one with lice keeps talking about sauna. So keep your smarty-pants nationalist trolling to yourself. Your shtick is getting stale.

Super Membro
<a href="/it/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.09.2019

You have mistaken my commentary for an attempt to feed a troll. No, it was intended to let the troll know their shtick is getting old. And you can play your little games to your heart's content, I don't care. The way I see it, whatever controversial trash is floating around, you seem to be around. Coincidence? Who knows. As for good people, there are plenty of them on this platform. Anyway, I'm not interested in your trolling, and if you fail to see the obvious, I suggest you visit an eye clinic called Ñahui in the Comas district of Lima.

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Sometimes, if some "guys" have suffered a defeat, they go to "Nahui" (Peru) to regain their "power"... 😉
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=bUA2BsK%2f&id=D8ED...

A. Huli is a very interesting name with many meanings, and the first letters are A and H, by the way...

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<a href="/it/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1387945">Jadis </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.07.2018
Almitra wrote:

I don't know what your definition of a good person is, but in my book, good people don't spit in other people's faces to prove a point or to see if it gets to them, if it hits them right where it hurts.

:)
I also noticed that usually, people defining themselves as humanists, great lesson givers about morality and so on, turn out to be the more intolerant as soon as they must face arguments that don't agree them.
 
For instance, everybody claims to be a staunch defender of universal suffrage, but when the result is an Orban or a Bolsonaro (let's forget about Trump, because in the USA they have a different system), then they spit their rage to the face of the world. People not only should go and vote (because otherwise they would be bad citizens), but they should also vote properly, meaning : as we (strongly) suggested them do to. That Hitler was initially elected by the German people, for instance, is an absolutely unbearable thought to them.
 
So, having nothing more to say, they exclaim : "Let's forbid ! Let's censore ! Let's send the opponents to jail ! They're all fascists!" They say so in the name of humanism and tolerance, of course. :)
 
(As to lgeethecat, who supposes we stupid French people can't see the difference between loving one's country and propaganda, I'm sure that she appreciated  Мы идем широкими полями  :
« Приходи и ты к нам в полк, товарищ, Если любишь родину, как мы. »
(Vlassov said he loved his country – Russia – but this is impossible of course, because he was on the wrong side. That's why they hanged him).

Super Membro
<a href="/it/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.09.2019

Now you're talking like a normal human being, instead of trolling. Which is why I am going to answer.

1. My last sentence was not an ad hominem attack. It was my successful attempt to show you that you're not the only one who can play "clever" word games, Mr Fox. It's successful because the very fact that you've interpreted the sentence as an insult shows you how easy it is to see through those games, including the one with your offensive avatar.

2. I don't judge people based on their nationality, race, etc. When I'm talking to a person, I'm talking to a person, not a representative of a random group. Which is why I don't like it when people drag nationalities into convos for no good reason.

3. Considering your background, defending Nazi songs and those of their collaborators is the last thing you should be doing. They wouldn't spare you, or me for that matter. I'll be damned before I defend anything related to those directly responsible for the tragic events in my family's history.

4. As for "киселевщина", just because some people turned a few words into a meme, doesn't mean someone else saying those words is quoting the one they are attributed to. I don't even have a TV, so yeah.

Master
<a href="/it/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever </a>
Iscritto dal: 19.07.2018

Alex, sometimes I really don't get what you are trying to get across.

Almitra, like Jadis, are good people with clearly good intentions. Jadis referred to the memorial to Dzerzhinsky, but that link clearly states that uncounted people were murdered in god knows what purpose. So censorship is bad, but is singing along to Nazi hymn better?

The only reason I am continuing this discussion, is the event yesterday in US. We have a store chain in US, Hobby Lobby, great friends of Trump, outspoken "Christian" speakers concerned greatly with preventing women abortion rights.

Company in the store and headquarters told customers asking about Hanukkah gifts, actually of their absence, "we don't cater to you people" and "Hanukkah is not on our holiday list." So if we don't face our objections, they will soon do singalong the Nazi hymn in US in 2020!

Super Membro
<a href="/it/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.09.2019

Actually, you were the one who brought up censorship (show me a comment of mine where I say that we need to censor something). I was talking about responsibility and the need for careful consideration when choosing a text to translate. Then you defeated the straw-man you'd built and proceeded to provoke in the name of freedom. And you came here to brag how you showed those 'Stalinitsts' what's what. You didn't care who else, besides Stalinists, might be offended by your demonstration. Any means to an end, right? And have you read the comment you added to your translation? If I didn't know better, I would think you believe the Nazi collaborator in question was a poor victim of the Soviets. The final sentence of the comment I'm responding to also expresses that sentiment. FYI, people who love their country, don't work for those who are killing it's people by the millions. Vlasov did, while many before him, including those who hated the Soviets with passion, refused to do so.

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<a href="/it/translator/don-juan" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1110108">Don Juan <div class="moderator_icon" title="Moderator" ></div></a>
Iscritto dal: 05.04.2012

NOTE TO USERS
Again, please be respectful and polite even when disagreeing - else this thread might be closed. And we all know that this is not what we want.

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Nicolas Cage said in the movie "Lord of War": "When the Good fights, it is not good any longer, if the Good does not fight, it will lose – so it will lose always."

Every fundamental-"ist" thinks to possess the "absolute truth" and censors the others.

In Russia there is a proverb: "The good must have fists". – Although I am not in favour of this, I think we need a "wehrhafte Demokratie" (a democracy, which is able to defend itself), so there is a need to censor the censors. Look at Weimar! That is our very own experience.

I am not interested in "left" or "right", I am not interested, who has killed more people by numbers, Hitler or Stalin, because every single killed person is one killed person too much.

But I am interested in which sort of society I will life in future, and LT is part of this society.

And yes! – Please do not always distract by talking about "Hitler" and "Stalin": Hitler was elected! And now he becomes a "fetish" of our desires and of our guilt.

I am convinced: If there had been elections in 1939, a huge majority would have voted for the Nazis.
So, if I am interested in history, I would not listen to Horst-Wessel-Songs day and night, but examine the role of the people which make guys like "Hitler" and "Stalin" possible. People like us.

Hic jacet lepus/ Вот где собака зарыта/Da liegt der Hase im Pfeffer.

Super Membro
<a href="/it/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.09.2019

Again with your games. Some people never learn. Well, troll it is.

Super Membro
<a href="/it/translator/almitra" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1432222">Almitra </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.09.2019

You're right, D. This discussion is going nowhere and breeds nothing positive. I'll stop now.

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<a href="/it/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1387945">Jadis </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.07.2018

I think you are at least partly right. But it looks fashionable to always cry over the consequences, without ever wondering about the causes.

Master
<a href="/it/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever </a>
Iscritto dal: 19.07.2018

No economic issue should drive anyone to gas, torture, burry people alive. Hence, we were against the singable Nazi hymn.

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<a href="/it/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1334845">Brat </a>
Iscritto dal: 13.04.2017
Almitra wrote:

I'd suggest thinking on the following Russian idiom: no matter what the topic is, the one with lice keeps talking about sauna.

Well put.
I've been told that Finns often talk about sauna. Whether I believe that or not, it doesn't draw me to a conclusion that they all are infested with lice. That's probably due to my way of thinking...

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Yes, and as long as mankind is not able to solve all these economical, ecological and social problems, which are the soil on which extreme political parties grow – until that point we need some other tools to stop this growing.

Another example for to set the right priorities:
First, you have to pull the refugees out of the water, and THEN you can solve all the problems in Africa (if possible!).

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Dear Alexander, so would you agree to what Nicolas Cage said in the movie "Lord of War": "When the Good fights, it is not good any longer, if the Good does not fight, it will lose – so it will lose always."?

👉 Do you want that?

👉 If not, what can we do?

You know that it is not possible to solve our worldwide problems in the near future!

By the way, there is an interesting psychological effect that some people, who were hurt very deeply by other people, support these people afterwards. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)

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<a href="/it/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1334845">Brat </a>
Iscritto dal: 13.04.2017

Well, I am going to tell you one clever-clever idea, but don't you take umbrage at my ranting.
What are lyrics? They are text.
What is text? It's information.
What's information? It may be an instruction.
So, what do we have?
First of all, we have a problem. Well, there are actually a huge lot of problems in our everyday life but let's take a kinda big PROBLEM into consideration.
Let's imagine we're in Weimar Republic now.
The main problem is that there are many wealthy Jews and a lot of poor Germans. (In fact, there are also a lot of poor Jews and many wealthy Germans, but that's not a problem since we're are living in GERMANY).
We want to solve the problem, of course.
What are the possible solutions?
1. To provide the poor German people with jobs so that they could earn enough money and become less poor.
2. To introduce new taxes aiming to take some money from the richest Jews and then pass it to the poorest Germans.
3. To expropriate money and other property from the rich Jews and pass it to the poor Germans.
4. To kill all the Jews (in addition to #3 option so that they wouldn't consume resources anymore, and none of them would ever become rich thus reviving the problem again) - the ultimate solution.
What could be our choice then?
Well, any option, if we are staunch enough.
And what makes us staunch? - Our views, creeds, and convictions.
Could a text influence these? - With no doubt.
If a cute haunting song by a talented author telling to kill all these Yids appears at the right moment - it can surely influence the crowd.
Were such a song born in an inappropriate moment - it would be of no fatal effect, although it might still arise anxiety and disgust.
Considering the above said, it becomes obvious when we should censor such texts - absolutely - and when it's not necessary (provided that censoring is applied mostly to prevent violence).
At least, it clears up the fact that each contry should form the lists of forbidden texts with regard to the lists of the actual problems persisting in the respective countries.
The choice of problems is a problem itself, though...
But there lies the real field for arguing.
And my point is the following.
Let the Germans decide what is good for Germany, and the Russians choose what should be banned in Russia, and the same thing for the USA and other countries. And let it be the way where no coutry would thrust its will upon any other one (or a group of), whether there could be any 'good' reasons to do so or not.
And let the site administration elaborate a kind of appropriate rule that would satisfy the majority of its sound members.

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Brat wrote:

1) Let the Germans decide what is good for Germany, and the Russians choose what should be banned in Russia, and the same thing for the USA and other countries... 2) And let the site administration elaborate a kind of appropriate rule that would satisfy the majority of its sound members.

1) How do you want to realise that on internet?

2) Good idea, but not very democratically. Especially after Aldefina asked us for suggestions in his comment #111:

Aldefina wrote:

You have plenty of time to suggest some sound site rules as for the censorship and we can discuss them...

I have already done it, please see my comment #112.

Do you or anyone else have any suggestion, which would be applicable?

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<a href="/it/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1387945">Jadis </a>
Iscritto dal: 01.07.2018
Vera Jahnke wrote:

Another example for to set the right priorities:
First, you have to pull the refugees out of the water, and THEN you can solve all the problems in Africa (if possible!).

But perhaps the right way to do would have been : FIRST you make sure they won't wade in the water, when they could be safe and dry at home, and THEN you ask yourself : oh, what shall we do with them now ? Because the fact that they're wading in the water is a consequence. Because when the ship is sinking, it doesn't help much to bring a few more hundreds drowning people aboard. (And you may even ask yourself : how much did they pay each to the smugglers, where did this money com from, and couldn't they find a better use for it in their own country ?)

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Может тогда запретить и Einheitsfrontlied? Все признаки экстримизма на лицо.

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No more suggestions regarding the site rules? - Really?

That makes me so sad...

This wonderful option Aldefina granted us – Democracy: close enough to touch... a beautiful dream!

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Jadis wrote:

But perhaps the right way to do would have been : FIRST you make sure they won't wade in the water, when they could be safe and dry at home, and THEN you ask yourself : oh, what shall we do with them now ?

If we divide the time-line into parts, we will get three of it:
The Past: We all have not improved a bad situation ("Weimar", "Africa"). > We CANNOT change the past!
The Present: There are bad effects ("refugees", "Nazis"). > We can do something good now ("first aid")!
The Future: We all can do our utmost to improve the bad things. > If we don't want the bad effects any longer, we should do so!

Alexander Frei wrote:

The book "Rhetoric" of Aristotle says that purpose of democracy is freedom and purpose of tyranny is protection.

Aristoteles has also said the following: "The best form of government is royalty." – He said a lot of things...

But regarding the purpose of tyranny, I think, yes, maybe it is protection, but not the protection of life of all mankind, but protection of their own power.

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A. Huli wrote:

then nazis seize power and then we will eat human meat" (seestern)... ... or "Look at Weimar! That is our very own experience. We need more censorship" (Vera Janke).

A. Huli (you have asked for changing your user-name, and I do accept that – if you really like this "name"):

Don't tell lies here by quoting wrong!

Seestern has never said that, he said that the sentence: "We cannot stop Nazis – so allow their propaganda-songs, too." is similar to: "We cannot stop people to eat meat – so allow them cannibalism." – And I think that it is a very good example: If you cannot stop something bad, it would be completely stupid to allow something even worse.

And my exact words were:
"so there is a need to censor the censors. Look at Weimar! That is our very own experience." (#135)

For more, please see my comments #33, 47, 65, 71, 109, 112, 135, 143!

And in case you should have misunderstood me, I repeat:

"I stand for as much liberty as possible, but sometimes we need rules, until we have solve our problems."

What I want is, to ban Nazi-Propaganda from LT, but not to censor it, if it is embedded in a historical context! – And LT is NOT a history-forum.

And now, I am really upset with your sort of unfair and wrong argumentation. So I stop to write to you now, A. Huli. Maybe there were good reasons to choose this name!

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Any text is propaganda. And songs. Whether we like it or not. But that's not an argument for a ban.

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It is about NAZI-Propaganda! And the argument to ban is, that Nazis want to destroy. They have killed in the past and they are killing refugees here now.

Guru
<a href="/it/translator/natur-provence" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1289099">Natur Provence </a>
Iscritto dal: 24.04.2016

Lass'es Vera, du mühst dich bei diesen Leuten vergebens. Es ehrt dich, dass du Seestern verteidigst und auf falsche Zitate hinweist, ich bin auch falsch zitiert worden. Es lohnt einfach hier den Stress nicht, diese Leuten denken entweder rechts oder haben keine geschichtliche Bildung- oder beides.
Ich würde mir meine "Freunde" nach diesen Beiträgen nochmal genauer anschauen...

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Ага, Баха и Генделя запретить тогда тоже нужно за их религиозные оратории ))

Я молчу про Льва Толстого... трижды экстремист )

Guru 🌈💖🦄
<a href="/it/translator/77seestern77" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1406612">77seestern77 </a>
Iscritto dal: 23.12.2018
Alexander Frei wrote:
Vera Jahnke wrote:

No more suggestions regarding the site rules? - Really?

No need to say: "if on LT Horst Wessel Song is legal, then nazis seize power and then we will eat human meat" (seestern) or "you are a troll if you disagree with me" (exaggeration) or "Look at Weimar! That is our very own experience. We need more censorship".

Here's a battle between facts and emotions... Choose your side

You are a storyteller! I never said what you quote. And, sorry, i know you know that. And this behavior is not acceptable. You play with the figures. That is why i have to support exaggeration, you are a troll, but by the way you quote him wrong also... .

I was done with you for some times ago. In this discusse there was a point of contact again. But i have to say it also again now that you are not straight. It's your turn, you can choose your way every second in your life... . Have a nice time! 🌈🦄

Guru 🌈💖🦄
<a href="/it/translator/77seestern77" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1406612">77seestern77 </a>
Iscritto dal: 23.12.2018

I did not say this in this way you wrote. I have made my experience with you. My opinion to the cencorship i wrote down and vera did is also. I agree her in most of her points. What should be my impulse to replay it again and again? To your person: The one thing is: i do not have a desire to give you more stuff for your games. Now i'm done for the second time. Maybe there will be an other discusse we meet together.... . 🌈🦄

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<a href="/it/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1334845">Brat </a>
Iscritto dal: 13.04.2017
Vera Jahnke wrote:
Brat wrote:

1) Let the Germans decide what is good for Germany, and the Russians choose what should be banned in Russia, and the same thing for the USA and other countries...
2) And let the site administration elaborate a kind of appropriate rule that would satisfy the majority of its sound members.

1) How do you want to realise that on internet?

Well, internet is not Germany, nor Britain, nor Russia, nor US; neither is it a conglomerate of countries. Hence the problem is a bit complex. There are several possible solutions:
a) To draw up a kind of common rule to be applied all across the Web - this way is almost impossible in fact, although there will nevertheless always be some restrictions based on common sense.
b) To do it like they do on YouTube blocking some videos in certain countries. Of course, this works only for either those kids who are unacquainted with the byways of the Web or lazy persons like me...
c) To treat this just as a question of morals. But that won't have effect on those who are beyond the pale. :(
d) To extinguish the Web - the ultimate solution. ;)

Vera Jahnke wrote:

2) Good idea, but not very democratically. Especially after Aldefina asked us for suggestions in his comment #111:

Aldefina wrote:

You have plenty of time to suggest some sound site rules as for the censorship and we can discuss them...

I have already done it, please see my comment #112.

Do you or anyone else have any suggestion, which would be applicable?

Well I could post a couple of suggestions that would solve some problems but they would surely start causing new problems from the very moment of enactment, so... I'd better refrain...

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<a href="/it/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1334845">Brat </a>
Iscritto dal: 13.04.2017
Equirythmystica wrote:

Any text is propaganda.

Ho-ho! And what about Отца бей, Илюха, - а хули ебаться?! (Hi, Alex! Be healthy!)
Is that a piece of propaganda or nothing but a smutty palindrome?
Ow, shouldn't I be banned now? ;(

Guru 🌈💖🦄
<a href="/it/translator/77seestern77" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1406612">77seestern77 </a>
Iscritto dal: 23.12.2018

😘 if you want search one word that i have writen down that discribed that you are "bad" or a "nazi" or something else... and sent it via pn to me. I think it is your own judgement. The one thing for me is only: i have no need for such games... . Thats not my way. Maybe yours... . Your choose.
With the best regards to your teacher(s)🌈🦄

Guru 🌈💖🦄
<a href="/it/translator/77seestern77" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1406612">77seestern77 </a>
Iscritto dal: 23.12.2018

My teachers teach me: give everyone a hand, but don´t play only to it´s own rules and be always careful of your own boarders... . ;-)... . That is why I´m rarely really done with a person... . You can judge that´s not right. It´s yours... . You can write me PN, if you want... . Maybe i feel a desire... . 🌈🦄

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<a href="/it/translator/%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3-%D0%BB" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1330079">Олег Л. </a>
Iscritto dal: 03.03.2017

Vlasov was a traitor. That's why they hanged him. Philippe Pétain was a traitor.

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Brat wrote:
Equirythmystica wrote:

Any text is propaganda.

Ho-ho! And what about Отца бей, Илюха, - а хули ебаться?! (Hi, Alex! Be healthy!)
Is that a piece of propaganda or nothing but a smutty palindrome?
Ow, shouldn't I be banned now? ;(

Все от контекста зависит. Посчитают если, что ваш грязный полиндром направлен против модераторов, точно забанят )

В аватарке А. Хули - точно провокация содержится.

"Первое правило

На сайте запрещены непристойные, оскорбительные, нецензурные выражения и изображения, включая имена пользователей и изображения профиля."

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<a href="/it/translator/freigeist" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1249237">Freigeist <div class="editor_icon" title="Editor" ></div></a>
Iscritto dal: 11.06.2015

I wonder why there still is a need to discuss the site rules.
LT put it straight in their comment.
They said: LT has its servers in Germany.
Every website has to obey the laws of the country in which their server is located.
Otherwise the country may penalize the website and eventually shut down the server.

So that means: Songs that glorify the Nazi-fascism and are forbidden in Germany may not be published here.
And more than that: It is forbidden to show the swastika as a means of propaganda or other than documentary reasons in Germany.
Therefore swastikas in LT user's avatars can not be tolerated.

Revisore - Россияне домой!
<a href="/it/translator/freigeist" class="userpopupinfo" rel="user1249237">Freigeist <div class="editor_icon" title="Editor" ></div></a>
Iscritto dal: 11.06.2015
Alexander Frei wrote:

Вспомним антирелигиозные imagine Леннона и "церкви и тюрьмы сравняем с землёй".

Это кстати говоря идет в разрез с правилами LT о "religious beliefs":

"Filthy, offensive, and obscene language and images are prohibited on the site, including usernames and profile pictures.That also extends to offending people based on their nationality, sexual orientation, skin color, religious beliefs, etc"

This rule referrs to communication and behavior amongst users, not to song lyrics.

As smart-assed as you present yourself you should be intelligent enough to understand the meaning of the website rules,
if you are willing to read it in benevolent way.

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Philippe Pétain sold his own country to Nazis. France has taken pity on him. He died as he deserved like a bastard!

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