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<a href="/it/translator/vera-jahnke" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1416993">Vera Jahnke</a>
Iscritto dal: 30.03.2019

It is about NAZI-Propaganda! And the argument to ban is, that Nazis want to destroy. They have killed in the past and they are killing refugees here now.

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Iscritto dal: 23.12.2017
Vera Jahnke wrote:

It is about NAZI-Propaganda! And the argument to ban is, that Nazis want to destroy. They have killed in the past and they are killing refugees here now.

How l said "Here's a battle between facts and emotions... Choose your side" - you chose emotions with demagoguery: exaggeration, equivocation, ad homineim, etc.

You're too emotionally here and it's clear to me, that you understand how wrong you are

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<a href="/it/translator/natur-provence" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1289099">Natur Provence</a>
Iscritto dal: 24.04.2016

Lass'es Vera, du mühst dich bei diesen Leuten vergebens. Es ehrt dich, dass du Seestern verteidigst und auf falsche Zitate hinweist, ich bin auch falsch zitiert worden. Es lohnt einfach hier den Stress nicht, diese Leuten denken entweder rechts oder haben keine geschichtliche Bildung- oder beides.
Ich würde mir meine "Freunde" nach diesen Beiträgen nochmal genauer anschauen...

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Iscritto dal: 23.12.2017
Equirythmystica ha scritto:

Может тогда запретить и Einheitsfrontlied? Все признаки экстримизма на лицо.

Вспомним антирелигиозные imagine Леннона и "церкви и тюрьмы сравняем с землёй".

Это кстати говоря идет в разрез с правилами LT о "religious beliefs":

"Filthy, offensive, and obscene language and images are prohibited on the site, including usernames and profile pictures.That also extends to offending people based on their nationality, sexual orientation, skin color, religious beliefs, etc"

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Iscritto dal: 05.01.2018

Ага, Баха и Генделя запретить тогда тоже нужно за их религиозные оратории ))

Я молчу про Льва Толстого... трижды экстремист )

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<a href="/it/translator/77seestern77" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1406612">77seestern77</a>
Iscritto dal: 23.12.2018
Alexander Frei ha scritto:
Vera Jahnke ha scritto:

No more suggestions regarding the site rules? - Really?

No need to say: "if on LT Horst Wessel Song is legal, then nazis seize power and then we will eat human meat" (seestern) or "you are a troll if you disagree with me" (exaggeration) or "Look at Weimar! That is our very own experience. We need more censorship".

Here's a battle between facts and emotions... Choose your side

You are a storyteller! I never said what you quote. And, sorry, i know you know that. And this behavior is not acceptable. You play with the figures. That is why i have to support exaggeration, you are a troll, but by the way you quote him wrong also... .

I was done with you for some times ago. In this discusse there was a point of contact again. But i have to say it also again now that you are not straight. It's your turn, you can choose your way every second in your life... . Have a nice time! 🌈🦄

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Iscritto dal: 23.12.2017

Again ad homineim and social stigma ("You are a storyteller!" and " you are a troll" and etc.)... And not only you wrote it for protecting of censorship. Natur Provence wrote (and vera agreed) that l am right-wing or have no education or both.

As you see, all arguments for protecting of censorhip are about "freedom" and "kindness", but you call all your opponents bad words and, as a result, you violate the freedom of thought.

My quote about you is not accurate - it's irony actually.

l'm not a troll, because you can see my facebook page or my poems anytime you want. But it's easier to call bad names people who disagree with you, so call me a troll and a storyteller or a nationalist anytime you want.

As far as I know from psychology, what you said is social stigma: "bad person" (you think so about me and not only you Regular smile ) never be good and all his actions always treated as "bad" and never as "good". So you will never agree with me. But if you do, then I'm surprised and l have to shoot my teachers and burn my university (it's irony again!!!)

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<a href="/it/translator/77seestern77" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1406612">77seestern77</a>
Iscritto dal: 23.12.2018

I did not say this in this way you wrote. I have made my experience with you. My opinion to the cencorship i wrote down and vera did is also. I agree her in most of her points. What should be my impulse to replay it again and again? To your person: The one thing is: i do not have a desire to give you more stuff for your games. Now i'm done for the second time. Maybe there will be an other discusse we meet together.... . 🌈🦄

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<a href="/it/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Iscritto dal: 13.04.2017
Vera Jahnke ha scritto:
Brat ha scritto:

1) Let the Germans decide what is good for Germany, and the Russians choose what should be banned in Russia, and the same thing for the USA and other countries...
2) And let the site administration elaborate a kind of appropriate rule that would satisfy the majority of its sound members.

1) How do you want to realise that on internet?

Well, internet is not Germany, nor Britain, nor Russia, nor US; neither is it a conglomerate of countries. Hence the problem is a bit complex. There are several possible solutions:
a) To draw up a kind of common rule to be applied all across the Web - this way is almost impossible in fact, although there will nevertheless always be some restrictions based on common sense.
b) To do it like they do on YouTube blocking some videos in certain countries. Of course, this works only for either those kids who are unacquainted with the byways of the Web or lazy persons like me...
c) To treat this just as a question of morals. But that won't have effect on those who are beyond the pale. Sad smile
d) To extinguish the Web - the ultimate solution. Wink smile

Vera Jahnke ha scritto:

2) Good idea, but not very democratically. Especially after Aldefina asked us for suggestions in his comment #111:

Aldefina ha scritto:

You have plenty of time to suggest some sound site rules as for the censorship and we can discuss them...

I have already done it, please see my comment #112.

Do you or anyone else have any suggestion, which would be applicable?

Well I could post a couple of suggestions that would solve some problems but they would surely start causing new problems from the very moment of enactment, so... I'd better refrain...

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Iscritto dal: 23.12.2017
Alexander Frei ha scritto:

As far as I know from psychology, what you said is social stigma: "bad person" (you think so about me and not only you Regular smile ) never be good and all his actions always treated as "bad" and never as "good". So you will never agree with me. But if you do, then I'm surprised and l have to shoot my teachers and burn my university (it's irony again!!!)

77seestern77 ha scritto:

i do not have a desire to give you more stuff for your games

My teachers of psychology (they told the truth) will be alive thanks to you Regular smile
Thumbs up

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<a href="/it/translator/brat" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1334845">Brat</a>
Iscritto dal: 13.04.2017
Equirythmystica wrote:

Any text is propaganda.

Ho-ho! And what about Отца бей, Илюха, - а хули ебаться?! (Hi, Alex! Be healthy!)
Is that a piece of propaganda or nothing but a smutty palindrome?
Ow, shouldn't I be banned now? Cry smile

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<a href="/it/translator/77seestern77" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1406612">77seestern77</a>
Iscritto dal: 23.12.2018

😘 if you want search one word that i have writen down that discribed that you are "bad" or a "nazi" or something else... and sent it via pn to me. I think it is your own judgement. The one thing for me is only: i have no need for such games... . Thats not my way. Maybe yours... . Your choose.
With the best regards to your teacher(s)🌈🦄

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Iscritto dal: 23.12.2017
Brat ha scritto:

Hi, Alex! Be healthy!

Regular smile И тебе не хворать

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Iscritto dal: 23.12.2017
77seestern77 wrote:

With the best regards to your teacher(s)

You know what they also said? When a person write: "Now i'm done for the second time", but then write something more, that means this person is not quite sure: maybe he is not so right...

Maybe you think: "Maybe... Censorship is bad? OMG what i thought? Will l be in a prison for this?"

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<a href="/it/translator/77seestern77" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1406612">77seestern77</a>
Iscritto dal: 23.12.2018

My teachers teach me: give everyone a hand, but don´t play only to it´s own rules and be always careful of your own boarders... . ;-)... . That is why I´m rarely really done with a person... . You can judge that´s not right. It´s yours... . You can write me PN, if you want... . Maybe i feel a desire... . 🌈🦄

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<a href="/it/translator/%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3-%D0%BB" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1330079">Олег Л.</a>
Iscritto dal: 03.03.2017

Vlasov was a traitor. That's why they hanged him. Philippe Pétain was a traitor.

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Iscritto dal: 05.01.2018
Brat ha scritto:
Equirythmystica ha scritto:

Any text is propaganda.

Ho-ho! And what about Отца бей, Илюха, - а хули ебаться?! (Hi, Alex! Be healthy!)
Is that a piece of propaganda or nothing but a smutty palindrome?
Ow, shouldn't I be banned now? Cry smile

Все от контекста зависит. Посчитают если, что ваш грязный полиндром направлен против модераторов, точно забанят )

В аватарке А. Хули - точно провокация содержится.

"Первое правило

На сайте запрещены непристойные, оскорбительные, нецензурные выражения и изображения, включая имена пользователей и изображения профиля."

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<a href="/it/translator/hansi-klauer" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1249237">Hansi K_Lauer</a>
Iscritto dal: 11.06.2015

I wonder why there still is a need to discuss the site rules.
LT put it straight in their comment.
They said: LT has its servers in Germany.
Every website has to obey the laws of the country in which their server is located.
Otherwise the country may penalize the website and eventually shut down the server.

So that means: Songs that glorify the Nazi-fascism and are forbidden in Germany may not be published here.
And more than that: It is forbidden to show the swastika as a means of propaganda or other than documentary reasons in Germany.
Therefore swastikas in LT user's avatars can not be tolerated.

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<a href="/it/translator/hansi-klauer" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1249237">Hansi K_Lauer</a>
Iscritto dal: 11.06.2015
Alexander Frei ha scritto:

Вспомним антирелигиозные imagine Леннона и "церкви и тюрьмы сравняем с землёй".

Это кстати говоря идет в разрез с правилами LT о "religious beliefs":

"Filthy, offensive, and obscene language and images are prohibited on the site, including usernames and profile pictures.That also extends to offending people based on their nationality, sexual orientation, skin color, religious beliefs, etc"

This rule referrs to communication and behavior amongst users, not to song lyrics.

As smart-assed as you present yourself you should be intelligent enough to understand the meaning of the website rules,
if you are willing to read it in benevolent way.

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<a href="/it/translator/iam-real-lord-hell" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1333527">TeSTaMeNT</a>
Iscritto dal: 31.03.2017

Philippe Pétain sold his own country to Nazis. France has taken pity on him. He died as he deserved like a bastard!

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<a href="/it/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1387945">Jadis</a>
Iscritto dal: 01.07.2018

And Trotsky was a traitor, that's why he was killed in Mexico by the Russian special services. Among so many others, former friends of Stalin : all of them, traitors.

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<a href="/it/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever</a>
Iscritto dal: 19.07.2018
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<a href="/it/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1387945">Jadis</a>
Iscritto dal: 01.07.2018

Why, isn't it true ? Kirov, a traitor. Kamenev, Zinoviev, Boukharin, Rykov, Tukhachevsky, all traitors. Dzerzhinsky (although not a real Russian), Yagoda, Beria, good patriots.
Just refreshing some memories...

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Jadis ha scritto:

...Kirov, a traitor...
...Yagoda, good patriots.
Just refreshing some memories...

Немножечко ты ошибся Regular smile Надо так (если ты решил взять сталинское время):

"Yagoda, a traitor. Kamenev, Zinoviev, Boukharin, Rykov, Tukhachevsky, all traitors.
Dzerzhinsky (although not a real Russian), Kirov, Beria good patriots"

Томского тоже можно добавить к "traitors". Он был тоже знаменит в партии.

Также можно вспомнить анекдот (?) Радека, который тоже оказался предателем :

"Сидят в тюрьме трое. Начали выяснять кто за что сидит:
1-й — Я за то, что в 1918 году назвал Радека контрреволюционером
2-й — Я за то, что в 1938 году назвал Радека революционером.
3-й — А я — Радек"

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<a href="/it/translator/iam-real-lord-hell" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1333527">TeSTaMeNT</a>
Iscritto dal: 31.03.2017
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<a href="/it/translator/kazakt%C3%BCrk" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1426792">KAZAKISTANBUL</a>
Iscritto dal: 07.07.2019

The swastika is an ancient symbol of Shamans, Hindus and many other cultures around the world. It can’t be appropriated solely to the NAZI regime and be censored just because the NAZIS took a fancy in that symbol and used a flag with a swastika in it. I would support you if you were to say: “A black Swastika in a white circle sitting against a red background (A NAZI Flag) shouldn’t be allowed,'' yes. But, how can you suggest swastika symbols be banned altogether?

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<a href="/it/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever</a>
Iscritto dal: 19.07.2018

And yet to a European or a descendent elsewhere, it represents death and bottomless cruelty. Out of the respect to the murdered millions, it is not necessary to have the sign in one's avatar, is it? Ancient symbols can still be respected, but masses of people know not of shamans, but do know of Nazis. Or should...

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<a href="/it/translator/kazakt%C3%BCrk" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1426792">KAZAKISTANBUL</a>
Iscritto dal: 07.07.2019

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Iscritto dal: 19.07.2018
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Iscritto dal: 07.07.2019

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<a href="/it/translator/hansi-klauer" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1249237">Hansi K_Lauer</a>
Iscritto dal: 11.06.2015

@Testament
ref. Böhmermann: If you want to read it ...
We have it on LT.
(incl. translations into Turkish and English)

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<a href="/it/translator/kazakt%C3%BCrk" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1426792">KAZAKISTANBUL</a>
Iscritto dal: 07.07.2019

Who can blame Erdoğan for suing this Böhmermann clown and having his racist, insulting, degrading, hateful lyrics banned? Böööh🤮

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<a href="/it/translator/hansi-klauer" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1249237">Hansi K_Lauer</a>
Iscritto dal: 11.06.2015

@KazakIstanbul
It is quite simple to tell: it depends on the context.
If a user integrates a swastika in his avatar solely or together with a soldier or a tank or something alike the Nazi-swastika is meant.
If it comes with a Hindu god or a Ramayana figure it is inoffensive and will not be objected.

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<a href="/it/translator/kazakt%C3%BCrk" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1426792">KAZAKISTANBUL</a>
Iscritto dal: 07.07.2019

This is exactly what I was talking about buddy. If a Black Swastika is sitting on a white circle against a red background and it is obvious that it is a NAZI Flag then I would say fare enough. But, someone who’s background, say, from Asia and they want to use their ancestral swastika symbol then, this shouldn’t be opposed.

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<a href="/it/translator/iam-real-lord-hell" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1333527">TeSTaMeNT</a>
Iscritto dal: 31.03.2017

Haha, wellll I can agree with him at some points from Istanbul to Ankara everyone knows what plans he has. He bits his tail man wow Teeth smile
this a bit rough, a bit.

For the very first time Erdogan is right Teeth smile
Herzlichen dank @Hansi K_Lauer

@KAZAKISTANBUL, Hocam bazen gerçekten hakediyor ya, bu kadar olmasa da hakediyor.

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<a href="/it/translator/jadis" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1387945">Jadis</a>
Iscritto dal: 01.07.2018

So many people have their interest in making you believe that only ONE MAN in history was the Great Satan. There always have been lots of greats Satans, and even more little Satans. Right nowadays, too. And BTW, "because as ugly and pointless is Christian and Muslims fighting, they were not exterminating races" seems very questionable to me.

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<a href="/it/translator/kazakt%C3%BCrk" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1426792">KAZAKISTANBUL</a>
Iscritto dal: 07.07.2019

Adamı ben de bitim kadar sevmiyorum ve eleştirilerimi de asla sakınmıyorum kardeşim. Ancak bu Böhmermannın yaptığı eleştiri sınırlarını epey aşmış. Erdoğan değil de dünyada kime karşı yapılırsa yapılsın ben buna karşı çıkardım emin olabilirsin. Bu kadar aşağılık küfür sözleriyle dolu bir çalışma Türkiye Cumhurbaşkanına değil de başka bir ulusun liderine karşı yapılmış olsaydı LT sitesinde yayınlanmaz hemen kaldırılırdı. Bunu ben Türklere karşı beslenen önyargılara ve ırkçı duygulara bağlıyorum. Yani benim görüşüm bu mesele aslında Erdoğan’ın şahsında Türklere karşı yapılmış bir hakarettir ve kabul edilmemelidir. Yeni yılınız kutlu olsun.

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<a href="/it/translator/blacksea4ever" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1390089">BlackSea4ever</a>
Iscritto dal: 19.07.2018

Dig, dig, dig. Can't have anyone trying to understand each other.
Who said there was just one satan? So, hooray, everyone is a murderer! those who don't want to discuss the politics of today, are just the innocent bystanders. Didn't see anyone saying Chinese have Muslims in concentration camps. Let's question crusaders instead. Didn't see any support about children separation and caging them in US!!! I can honestly say that this discussion is the waste of time - just as all the ones before. The problem is that people believe in God of stories and very little of what's morally good, they find the infidel to hate, condemn to hell those not believing Jesus, liken Trump to Jesus, and worship Kims/Putins as God or satan.

But you, Jadis, never answered whether you would let someone drown or ask for documents. I suggest everyone conducts personal inventory before making generalizations.

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<a href="/it/translator/iam-real-lord-hell" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1333527">TeSTaMeNT</a>
Iscritto dal: 31.03.2017

Kesinlikle katılıyorum bazı konularda hala kuyruk acısı yaşadıkları su götürmez bir gerçek. Sizin de yeni yılınız kutlu olsun.

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<a href="/it/translator/pelinsu" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1438956">MøønXAløra</a>
Iscritto dal: 19.11.2019

Gerçekten sonuna kadar haklısın.

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<a href="/it/translator/aldefina" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1152070">Aldefina</a>
Iscritto dal: 16.01.2013

I’ve been watching this discussion from the distance and I must say I’m disgusted. Most of you cannot accept the fact that it’s the right of every single individual to have his own opinion. If you take part in a discussion you shouldn’t quarrel and attack others who think differently than you. Remember, if everyone thinks the same there is no discussion.

It all went wrong way and I see only one suggestion. I’m still waiting and hoping there will be some. So far most of the comments were off topic.

It all tended towards Schmähkritik against those who thought differently. BTW, this “poem”, no matter how disgusting, was taken out of context. Back in 2016 I replaced a not working video with a new one which contained a complete part of the program with explanations of Jan Böhmermann why he wrote this "poem". You need to be really fluent in German to be able to understand everything, because he speaks very fast. I added also three other videos - two with discussions and one with additional Böhmermann’s explanations.

[@Alexander Frei]: Stop kidding and remove your stupid avatar. Let me remind you that you played fool in front of the admins, so don’t be surprised if you’ll have to take a break from LT.

[@Achampnator]: Could you please remove your Spanish translation of Schmähkritik (Schmähgedicht)? It doesn’t make sense, it’s too literal and if you want to achieve a similar effect with insults you cannot translate them literally.

[@Brat]: We share the same philosophical approach to many things. Don’t be afraid and please tell us what you would suggest.

On Saturday I will leave for about three weeks, forgetting about the Internet. When I’m back I will read all new comments and summarize our discussion.

Merry Christmas to some of you and Happy Holidays for others and a Happy New Year for everyone - a year in peace.

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