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crimson_antics , 2013-06-17She Dreams to Break Out of the USSR
Vladimir4757| 1. | I have a dream |
| 2. | Political/Powerful Songs |
| 1. | Поворот (Povorot) |
| 2. | Однажды мир прогнется под нас (Odnazhdy mir prognet·sya pod nas) |
| 3. | Костёр (Kostyer) |
| 1. | To break out |
| 2. | поезд ушел |
BlackSea4ever
水, 15/05/2019 - 17:37
I'm not kidding. This is NOT the time to debate Texas and Hawaii. It is not important that every town in Asia wants to be a country. What is important that air, lakes, rivers, seas, oceans are polluted, that whales are beaching because of the underwater military explosions, that we reached the highest level of carbon dioxide in human history, that weather storms have higher intensity. If Hawaii is under water, there will be no independence. And rich? Rich but soulless? Rich and dead inside? Rich and dead...
sandring 
IsraelWu
水, 15/05/2019 - 11:09
Do you remember Boers ? Started settling in late 17th century and continued to arrive till the British came.
Boers could be compared to conquistadors, should they also return to Europe ?
The tribunal ruled according to your first definition, entirely disregarding your second one. Still a paradox remains, doesn't it ?
And how is peoples' will expressed, in "free" elections like in Ukraine, Belarus, late USSR or Russia of today, Venezuela or Cuba or the last German elections in 1933, after Reichstag fire and SA and SS on the streets?
And sorry, but you didn't answer my question, just tried to convince me how it should be. I might even agree with you, entirely, partially, with a finite set of exceptions or a mechanism for defining an ad hoc exception. But first, please, answer my original question how do you decide between two principles excluding one another or can live with them on a daily basis
sandring,
Наконец-то Влад поймет, почему "Она из принципа не читает газет" - perhaps or will learn material dialectics :-)
Freigeist
木, 16/05/2019 - 12:54
@IsraelWu
I'm not sure what you mean.
I just referred to the United Nations convention as it exists since after WWII.
If you have doubts about specific countrie's issues maybe you get in contact with the United Nations Organization.
They'll give you a much better expertise than I can.
I'm not sure where you see the contradiction in my statement.
Do you mean the "contradiction" between territorial integrity of states and the right for national self-determination?
There is no contradiction at all.
The first refers to the relation between international states, the second to self defined groups within a nation (usually ethnic groups).
If they desire to segregate it should be determined in a free and democratic poll held amongst the genuine citizens of that specific territory. It needs to be defined who a "genuine citizen" with the right to vote in this territory is. Criteria as place of birth or a certain period of permanent residence might be considered. The line of the border should be defined by the United Nations.
Pinchus
水, 15/05/2019 - 17:46
Горячие эстонские парни могут еще здесь продолжить дискуссию:
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B...
IsraelWu
木, 16/05/2019 - 16:18
Hansi K_Lauer
Are you seriously trying to tell me you don’t see a paradox created by the two statements being true simultaneously? Or do you just avoid facing it ?
Paraphrasing your words the first one says:
The borders are as they are and in case of any change the “Brotherhood of Civilized Nations” is obliged to restore the status quo ante, no questions asked.
Paraphrasing your words the second one says:
The land is not yours, as a people, as a nation, not forever. Any newcomer, after settling down, if he feels strong enough can take it from you and establish a new country.
You didn’t say: culture, language, heritage, autonomous internal rule within the borders of an enveloping country. You said the newcomer has priority.
FYI: Kosovo have always had autonomy, at least on paper (and Stalin’s constitution was the best and most just one in the world, right guys ?). BTW they've declared themselves a sovereign country. It seems the Kosovians (or is it Kosovars ?) were rebels and UN should take from them their illegal borders. Just leave them the autonomy. I think even today it’s not too late.
Do you see the paradox now ?
To clarify: you are BundesRepublik, right? If the south eastern Bund (whoever they are) wants autonomy and immediately or in two weeks be a part of Austria what do you say, which rule applies ?
To clarify even more: every quarter of every German town (or perhaps Gotteborg in Sweden too) where Turkish population is a majority could be an enclave, starting with autonomy, later perhaps a Bund and in the end independent. Take your choice between the two statements. And suddenly Germany would be a Swiss (cheese).
BlackSea4ever
金, 17/05/2019 - 02:36
While some are arguing for nothing in particular, others want to close eyes and wish it all away.
Well, if we don't and cant come together here, what are the options for elsewhere?
Close your eyes and war with Iran is possible. Keep them close and world war 3 will follow. Mind you, Israel may be the first to go and will take out neighbors. Win-win?!
And once more, songs, poems are written to make you think not put you into the drug induced nirvana after which you wake up in hell.
BlackSea4ever
金, 17/05/2019 - 17:53
I'm trying hard to find a young black [important] comic's routine where he said it better than anyone here:
Paraphrasing,
Why is it that white people can come, plant a flag, and declare it is their land [not native Indians'] - imagine a black man getting into an apartment, planting a flag, and declaring it is his land... White people get a country and black man goes to jail...
Freigeist
日, 26/05/2019 - 03:37
Any newcomer, after settling down, if he feels strong enough can take it from you and establish a new country.
You didn’t say: culture, language, heritage, autonomous internal rule within the borders of an enveloping country. You said the newcomer has priority.
What gave you the idea I was talking about "newcomers"? Who should that be?
I was thinking of historically established ethnic minorities within a country, such as Catalans, Basques, Sardinians, Scots, Flemings, Wallonians, Kurds and many others.
And to prevent you from (deliberatly?) misunderstanding me again: I don't say I'd be happy to see it. But they should have the right to demand secession if their will is legally established.
Treugol'ny
金, 17/05/2019 - 01:21
Is it not enough to listen to propaganda on radio and TV all day from left and right of the politics? Maybe it's time to take a chill pill and stop politicizing this wonderful site. Let's stick to translation of songs and poems and forget about Putin and other dictators. They all will disappear in garbage depots of history, but the songs and poems will remain forever.
Marica Nicolska
水, 22/05/2019 - 13:13
Макаревич не так давно сказал: "Теперь я холостяк, и прекрасно себя чувствую". Да, поезд ушел - и это гарантирует отсутствие катастроф для опоздавших. Хотя... при чем тут опоздавшие? Наши дамы и в 60 мужей в разных странах находят - а мужья счастливы, что хоть в конце жизни обрели таких жен! Конец - делу венец!
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