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Disconnecting and adding languages and dialects

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<a href="/nl/translator/slyzder" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1186400">Slyzder</a>
Lid geworden op: 03.09.2013
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Hello,
I would like to propound, firstly, to disconnect the Aromanian language from the Romanian language since it is, as of now, listed as though it was a Romanian dialect. Aromanian is not mutually intelligible with Romanian, which would be usual for a dialect. In the trustworthy language code system and table of Glottolog, maintained by a German institute for the science of human history, it is allocated equally to Romanian, Megleno-Romanian and Istro-Romanian rather than being subset into the Romanian language solely as a dialect: https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/arom1237. Contrasting, several Romanian dialects are shown within the table beneath the Romanian language.
Moreover, the term for the main language of Ancient Greece is bar none Ancient Greek instead of the current term "classical Greek". All major language codes are based on the language termed "Ancient Greek" instead of "Classical Greek": https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/langcodes_name.php?code_ID=173, https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/grc, https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/anci1242. Even if "Classical Greek" was preferred, the preceding adjective would have to be capitalized. However, I would suggest the adoption of "Ancient Greek" due to the considerations made.
Personally, I would favor disconnecting Ancient Greek from Modern Greek so that it is listed separately because, in this manner, there would be space for extending Ancient Greek with the branches of its own dialects. Otherwise, adding the dialects of Ancient Greek to the list while it is kept together with Modern Greek might be a bit incoherent and unclear.
Also, I would suggest to add the dialects of Tosk Albanian and Gheg Albanian to the list, simultaneously renaming Albanian into Tosk Albanian since this serves as standard and general dialect. These are examples of Tosk Albanian: https://lyricstranslate.com/en/Nora-Istrefi-Ajo-te-pelqen-lyrics.html, https://lyricstranslate.com/en/nora-istrefi-nuk-mundem-lyrics.html, https://lyricstranslate.com/en/nora-istrefi-e-di-lyrics.html. These are, however, examples of Gheg Albanian of the same singer, who apparently switched between dialects: https://lyricstranslate.com/en/nora-istrefi-sje-my-lifestyle-lyrics.html, https://lyricstranslate.com/en/nora-istrefi-i-jemi-je-lyrics.html, https://lyricstranslate.com/en/nora-istrefi-nora-nuk-o-njisoj-lyrics.html. Maybe, the central or mixed dialect of Albanian could be subjoined in order to allot songs to it that both contain Gheg and Tosk characteristics to the same extent.

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<a href="/nl/translator/sciera" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1077079">Sciera</a>
Lid geworden op: 16.02.2011

Thanks for your input!

Dialects are not necessarily mutually intelligible with the standard language. I for one can't understand Low German and can hardly understand most Upper German dialects.

I know the maintainers of Glottolog, and trust me, it's not infallible, they know themselves that there are tons of mistakes in it.

But I don't speak any Balkan Romance languages, so I can't really tell.

Regarding Ancient/Classical Greek - I fully agree. I argued for that same renaming a couple years ago but was down-voted by a native speaker of Greek.

The main purpose for listing Ancient Greek beneath modern Greek (and probably also Aromanian beneath Romanian) is to make it easier findable. It happens so often that users add something into one category because they don't know the other exists...
We also list the historic versions of German and the dialects of German in one row and I have never before heard someone complain about that.
And the current order does not pose an issue against adding categories for specific dialects of Ancient Greek - just no one has ever requested them from what I recall.

I don't speak any Albanian, so I can't tell here either. I see no reason against your suggestion.

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