[SOLVED] Catalan and Valencian

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<a href="/pl/translator/pablussky" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1403083">pablussky</a>
Dołączył/a: 20.11.2018
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Hola!
I just wanted to say that both Catalan and Valencian are the same language, just different varieties, just like American vs British English. Therefore, I don't think both should be available to choose as language of a song, because it may lead to confusion. I've seen groups whose songs are sometimes labelled as Catalan and sometimes as Valencian, all of them being in the same language.
Is there a way of just leaving Catalan (the more generic term) and not Valencian as an option? What do you think about it?
Thanks for your time.
Pablo

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<a href="/pl/translator/paotrlaouen" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1447583">PaotrLaouen</a>
Dołączył/a: 24.02.2020

I perfectly agree.

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<a href="/pl/translator/alma-barroca" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1110108">Alma Barroca</a>
Dołączył/a: 05.04.2012

Tagging [@Metodius], [@Silverblue] and [@Scrabble], who all are native speakers of Catalan, so we can hear from them.

As a non-speaker, it seems to me Valencian is a dialect from Catalan. If it differs too much from the standard language, it is allowed to remain. But best to hear the natives first.

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<a href="/pl/translator/metodius" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1336579">Metodius</a>
Dołączył/a: 30.04.2017

Good evening, everyone!

Catalan and Valencian are exactly the same language - the only things that vary are the accent and the use of specific regionalisms, as well as the degree of influence from Spanish, which is much greater in Valencia than it is in most of Catalonia. The separation into two languages has been made for political reasons only, and it doesn't reflect the reality of Catalan as a language at all. The discrepancies arise from the fact that "standard" Catalan takes the Eastern Central dialect as a model, and some people argue that Western Catalan dialects (among which we can count Valencian) are radically different, which is utterly untrue. In fact, I was very surprised when I found out that someone had included "Valencian" in the list of languages, since it is widely accepted that the notion of Catalan and Valencian being two separate languages, is entirely false.

Sorry for the long exposition. I think that it would be best to agglomerate everything under Catalan, which reflects the reality of the language.

By the way, thanks for bringing this up! Regular smile

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<a href="/pl/translator/paotrlaouen" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1447583">PaotrLaouen</a>
Dołączył/a: 24.02.2020

There is another forum on a rather similar topic, viz "Adding French(Québec) in languages", with a lot of interesting remarks (besides my own)

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<a href="/pl/translator/dschebe" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1412345">Dschebe</a>
Dołączył/a: 12.02.2019

Hi everybody,
Just say I completely support pablussky and Metodius. Catalan is an only language, and it differs in many regionalisms in Catalonia, Valencia and the Balearic Islands. In case I'd translate into Catalan it should be clear for all Catalan speakers that I use a variety from Valencia (my region), but all of them would unerstand me without any issue. Of course, it is allways possible to do something like this: Catalan (Barcelona), Catalan (Valencia), Catalan (Girona), and so on ad infinitum, but I feel this to be unnecessary (and impractical).

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<a href="/pl/translator/alma-barroca" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1110108">Alma Barroca</a>
Dołączył/a: 05.04.2012

I'll ask Admins to merge both entries now. Thanks to everyone for speaking their minds.

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<a href="/pl/translator/marcoserra568" class="userpopupinfo username" rel="user1215565">Hampsicora</a>
Dołączył/a: 02.08.2014

Humm, you forgot the Alguerese Catalan, spoken in Sardinia, which is even more different from standard Catalan than any other variety. But no one thinks it's a different language... Wink smile