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Женя, а Вы ведь физик, да? Тогда знаете, что нет даже согласия в вопросе - знаем мы что-нибудь или не знаем о Большом взрыве. Некоторые уверены, что знают почти все. Считают крайне странную инфляционную модель доказанной. Меня всегда больше всего удивляло, что нет точки во вселенной (или вне ее), про которую можно было бы сказать: Большой взрыв произошел вот здесь. Борхес где-то по этому поводу прошелся. Известное высказывание: Бог - это круг, центр у которого везде, а границы нет нигде. Так же примерно и со вселенной.
Я не физик. Если только по классификации "физики-лирики" считать :)
Большой взрыв - это всего лишь теория. По-моему, непроверяемая, ну, или пока непроверяемая...
Как можно доказать, то что было (опять же по теории) миллиарды лет назад. По-моему, это можно только принять на веру.
Логически, методом исключения всех прочих вариантов. Есть много доказательств. Почти прямых. Типа реликтового излучения и существования гравитационных волн от ранней вселенной.
Мы же верим в динозавров, поскольку найдены их скелеты. Большой взрыва тоже оставил много скелетов в шкафу.
Динозавры к нам поближе по времени. Хотя, относительно продолжительности человеческой жизни никакой разницы нет. Насчет скелетов БВ: это вопрос интерпретации, того от чего мы отталкиваемся. Вы, например, уверены, что за миллиарды лет фундаментальные законы не менялись?
Женя, астрономы видят вселенную во ВСЕ периоды ее существования, начиная с того момента, когда она стала прозрачной для света. Если галактика отстоит от нас на миллиард световых лет, то мы ее и видим в ее состоянии на тот момент, если на 10 - то на 10. Такой и там, какой и где она была 10 миллиардов лет назад.
Человек СЕЙЧАС видит всю эволюцию вселенной своими глазами.
Keep ignoring me...
Zhenya, I understood this poem as being far from the actual Big Bang theory as possible, but rather as describing the emotional significance or equivalence. Are all these astrophysists correct and I'm wrong?
One simple example: use the laws of biomechanics (strength of a muscle vs. its weight) and calculate the maximum possible weight of a living being, capable of existing on the surface of this planet, moving itself, and feeding itself. Hint: the African elephant comes close. Now, based on discovered remains of the largest dinosaurs, compare your number with their weight. Do you see anything strange here? Japanese did this in the early 2000's and concluded that large dinos couldn't have lived in the conditions currently existing on the Earth, yet they lived. Now make your own conclusions about what has changed since then.
Incorrect assumptions invariably lead to incorrect conclusions and in the end to a completely wrong picture of the Universe. The Big Bang hypothesis is wrong on so many levels that it is a miracle that anybody takes it seriously, but it does satisfy the wish of many to reconcile the Divine Creation story with supposedly "solid" science.
Come on, not again. For all the respect I have for your poetry and mastery of languages, this crusade of yours against established science is a bit tiring.
Every scientist and science enthusiast knows there is a gaping hole in our physics. Neither Newton nor Einstein can explain what keeps the galaxies together, which is proof enough our theories and/or power of observation are seriously lacking. Not to mention the expansion of the universe and various dark stuffs...
So far, no alternative model exhibited a superior predictive power, so the big bang stays for lack of a better solution. There is no conspiracy here, just science working as it should.
Wishful blindness of mainstream science is indeed puzzling when the revealing evidence [of the electric nature of the Universe] literally shines upon us from every corner of the sky. Electricity [electric currents in partially ionized interstellar medium] rather than gravity dominates on large scales, holds galaxies together, explains galactic rotation patterns and the origin of all rotational motion in the Universe, explains how matter condenses and how stars light up, and so on...
Now repeat and memorize postulate number 1 about the Universe: electric charges are NOT equilibrated on any local and global scale, as a result EM interactions and electric currents dominate and make the Universe into what it is.
We've been going through this in great detail a year ago or so, so allow me to be blunt and snappy.
Your notions of field theory are plain wrong.
You are applying the Heisenberg principle to fields that are not matter and thus not subjected to it. You also have a wrong idea of what "field propagation" means.
You are free to believe what you want, but as far as science is concerned, you are talking nonsense.
St. Sol wrote:Electricity rather than gravity dominates on large scales, holds galaxies together, explains galactic rotation patterns and the origin of all rotational motion in the Universe, explains how matter condenses and how stars light up, and so on...
And this could be described by old good classical Maxwellian electrodynamics, I hope?
Neutron is a separate big topic. By all appearances it is not a real particle but an unstable resonance of an electron collapsed on a proton, which cannot exist either by itself or inside a nucleus, and most likely is a chunk of a decayed nucleus where protons are "glued" together by collapsed electrons, thus stabilizing it. Obviously such a configuration is disallowed by quantum mechanics (and hence is not considered by mainstream), but it is a problem of QM itself, which is seriously wrong (or deficient). Therefore I find it hard to believe in existence of neutron stars which must be stable assemblies of short living resonance particles.
It would say,
Go to a forum, all you ядреные (yes not ядерные) физики
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I am sure you know what the half-life of a free neutron is, right? (hint: about 10 min.) What makes you believe that a trillion or so unstable neutrons, materialized from somewhere, and somehow put together (by what?) will stay together and avoid inevitable decay?
Maybe philosophy will succeed where science failed?
On the way travelling to the east, Confucius saw two children were arguing. One child thought that the sun is nearer to us at daybreak and far away from us at noon, because in the morning it is as big as the canopy of a carriage, but at noon only the size of a plate or a bowl. The other contended that the sun was far away at dawn and nearby at midday, because when the sun comes out, it is very cool, but at midday it is as hot as putting your hand in boiling water. Confucius was unable to settle the matter for them. The children laughed at him, saying, "Who decided that you were a wise man?"
Oh, do try to explain the notion of a field to the uninitiated without invoking magic at some point. Start with EM wave propagation and how the force is transmitted without a physical carrier at the speed of light. No math and other nonsense (I am a mathematician and have a degree in eqs. of math. physics myself), just how exactly the force manifests itself at a distance. Try it.
Pinhas Zelenogorsky wrote:Из которой неизбежно следуют преобразования Лоренца. Из которых неизбежно следует специальная теория относительности.
St. Sol категорически её отрицает... :)
Fascinating subject. How about a forum where all these comments can be moved to (as they aren't poem related) and you can link there to the pertinent articles supporting your point of view. All arguments would be expected a congenial mode.
Вселенная конечна. Ей около 14 миллиардов лет. Умножьте это время на скорость света, ну и при желании на 2 - вот Вам и диаметр вселенной.
И вещество конечно. Оценено и количество частиц, и общая масса, и количество галактик и звезд. Все перед глазами, все считается.
The Hubble space telescope already pictured galaxies farther than 15 billion light years away (using the conventional red shift = distance assumption), and they are fully developed: no signs of "primordial soup." When Hubble 2 is operational, it will undoubtedly show fully developed galaxies farther than 100 billion light years away. What will remain of 14 bil. years old Universe then?
St. Sol wrote:The Hubble space telescope already pictured galaxies farther than 15 billion light years away (using the conventional red shift = distance assumption), and they are fully developed: no signs of "primordial soup." When Hubble 2 is operational, it will undoubtedly show fully developed galaxies farther than 100 billion light years away. What will remain of 14 bil. years old Universe then?
- Он не покажет никаких "100 миллиардов"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ihVeEoUdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8yRDrl76d0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N8MnyF0_3U
Np, will look for music.
Let me, though, comment on the somewhat ridiculous discussion above. Zhenya, I understood this poem as being far from the actual Big Bang theory as possible, but rather as describing the emotional significance or equivalence. Are all these astrophysists correct and I'm wrong?
Here I go, projecting something into nothing. Like the rest of the scientific arguments above.
Видео про Геракла https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jFwgV4n3l7sf9ZeQ6_1w_rvNgaMnxCZK/view?u...
Звук прикручу когда выберете...
Круто! Спасибо огромное! Как это Вы такой шедевр так быстро сляпали? Тут Геракл еще грязненький и без пальцев. А "гесперид" с небесным шаром на плечах никак не прикрутить?
Вот эти красавицы:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%84%D1%8B+%D0%BF%D0...:
Separate poem, PZ. Lol.
Вот видео с гесперидами https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BdstIiD4LMftBX5YV1Comqbz0-Atjt5h/view?u...
Hmm. Сбегал Геракл в адмиралтейство на секунду? Lol. There was music chosen, too. Are you keeping video link like this? I'll copy it on PZ's page. Thanks.
Sweet topology of cosmology!
The only redeeming feature, is that Zhenya will get lots of traffic...
It's high time he marked this translation explicit. All comments will become invisible. 🤕
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