Yggr's Horse
- 1. possibly means "libel striker"
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Ja Lars Sciera
Cum, 23/08/2019 - 19:17
Thanks for your comment! But I know that, I intentionally translated it literally so that readers can see what it actually means.
I could add a footnote but it didn't seem necessary.
I don't know about the historic background of that name, though, perhaps you know more about that? I thus far only encountered some contemporary esoteric interpretations of it, which I enjoy but which aren't actually scientific.
By the way - your translation is almost identical to mine. That isn't allowed, please read the website rules.
Jason Larsen
Salı, 29/10/2019 - 16:57
That's actually pretty ridiculous to use that as an excuse; well... Two actually; one for messing up your Google translation AND for taking my translation down... (Edit. I couldn't care less about that just fix it I can't imagine youre actually serious about leaving it like that lol)
Yggdrasil is the proper noun- the name of the tree and, SOLELY AS THE TREE YGGDRASIL, the obvious subject of the entire song.
"YGGDRASIL" IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE READ AS "YDDR'S HORSE" ANY IDIOT KNOWS THAT. You're completely skewing the meaning of the song. Nobody understands how a song about a strong eternal tree would be called someone's horse!
Put it in the FOOTNOTES like actual translators do and fix it instead of making sorry excuses for your copy paste job.
Ww Ww
Salı, 29/10/2019 - 17:03
A gentleman conducts himself so at all times. Here, on LT we DON'T USE ALL CAPS because it denotes yelling and aggression. Your accusations/insinuations may be tolerated elsewhere, but not here. Everything from insults to copy and paste. There are some mutual misunderstandings. However they have been addressed via the PM system here with respect and confidentiality. It would behoove you to be keep a civil tongue here. At this point I would reconsider your comment and perhaps edit it so that you have a better standing in this cyber community. If not, then it will be brief. You need to affect these results directly. If you amend your comments civilly this comment will vanish.
Jason Larsen
Çarş, 30/10/2019 - 11:31
Or it could be italicised in lieu of a more expediting way to ACTUALLY type italics(on a phone)? lol... Actually I'll concede; I WAS in fact yelling in my head as I italicised. I will, however, take responsibility for leaving them on by mistake but I continued typing anyway. That was lazy... You know- like getting called out for erroneously using the root meaning of the proper name YGGDRASIL; thus concealing the naturally flowing context of the lyrics beneath mounds of confusion... Instead of just fixing it.
Jason Larsen
Salı, 29/10/2019 - 16:54
Think about it: this isn't a song that goes into the story behind the name, it's clearly a song about YGGDRASSIL the tree itself... The context undoubtedly being it's own proper noun.
To put it simply: WOULD A NORSEMAN PICTURE A TREE OR THE HORSE it is named after IN HIS MIND'S-EYE IF HE SUNG THIS SONG IN THE OBVIOUS CONTEXT OF IT'S OWN LYRICS... LIKE A MILLENNIA AGO?
You dont break down any other names like this... why would you here?
Put an asterisk like you should have, where you can discuss the etymology of the trees name.
Sciera
Cmt, 02/11/2019 - 17:41
If you disagree with my unpublishing of your translation, please contact the admins instead of accusing me of breaking website rules that you have no proof I would have broken.
Since Yggdrasil was still a perfectly transparent word formation in Old Norse, readers/listeners of this poem at that time understood it as "Yggr's horse" (which is a metaphor) and as a name simultaneously. That cannot be easily mimicked in an English translation, so any way to translate it is a compromise. I chose this one since the literal name can be found in the original text. About the other names, I agree that it would be best to also translate them, but I don't know for sure the meanings of most of them. If you have further information on them, please provide it! I did change "Urðr" to "Fate" now, though (albeit it might be a slightly different notion than our modern notion of fate, I don't really know).
And why an asterisk? It's neither reconstructed nor ungrammatical? Or do you mean, adding a footnote?
Icey
Cmt, 07/09/2019 - 17:11
"Urðar brunni" is dative, so it doesn't stand alone, it needs a subject and a verb. Hence, something is doing something by the well: in the first case, the Yggdrasil "stands by the well", in the second "I know an oak by the well" and in the third "(I know) a high tree by the well". Seeing "Urðar brunni" separated from said lines may lead to think they are split, while their meaning is to be linked together. That's why I joined and separated the lines accordingly.
Sciera
Cmt, 07/09/2019 - 18:08
Yes, thus far I understand, but why did you also put them in the same line in the 3rd paragraph from the last? There they are still forming their own "sentence", or at least you didn't replace that dot with a comma.
Also, that whole text here is taken from an attested poem, but with the lines mixed up, so having half-sentences in it is no surprise.
Icey
Cmt, 07/09/2019 - 18:29
Right you are about the third stanza. I changed the commas to full stops (I suppose that's what you meant to say).
It's true that some of these lines don't quite make sense (like...sprinkled with what!?), but "stendr hann æ yfir grænn Urðar brunni", "Ask veit ek, Urðar brunni" and "Hárr baðmr, heilagr, Urðar brunni" do, so why forcing them not to?
BTW, may I ask you if you could take a look at this translation of mine, please? https://lyricstranslate.com/en/valfreyjudr%C3%A1pa-freyja-slain-poem.html
ReDeR Sciera
Cmt, 25/01/2020 - 09:23
Ah thanks for pointing that out! In my native language, those two tree names are pronounced almost identically, so I confuse them sometimes.
What other mistakes are in the translation, making you come to the conclusion that it would be horrible? I am certainly not fluent in Old Norse, so I'm eager to improve!
Why would it be worse that I make the same mistake on every occurrence? Seems worse to me if I had been aware of that mistake during part of the translating and not noticed it during other parts.
Atomsk
Çarş, 20/05/2020 - 20:48
I'm just here to thank you for your attempt at a translation, which to me is better than nothing. I also understand that our knowledge of Old Norse is reconstructed throughout the centuries and there's so much we can't be sure of.
Kudos to Sciera for staying civil. Props. Wouldn't have been able to hold my tongue lol.
Sciera
Perş, 21/05/2020 - 06:22
Thanks ^^
Heh, "attempt at a translation" almost made me think that now the next one showed up to criticize this xD Sure the oak/ash confusion was a dumb mistake on my part but I'm pretty sure the rest is basically correct, at least if the dictionaries I used can be trusted, so I wouldn't have called in an attempt, lol.
And yah, it's pretty difficult to make me angry so I just took those comments there with humor ;)
Sypher98 
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